Mike Etheridge 1 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 BMFA Outlaw article: I did make a Pirate and on the first flight the wings folded,but once repaired it flew well for a couple of years before diesel rot set in and it finally spun into the ground at Epsom Downs. MJE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddock, VC Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I'm not surprised the wings folded on that model with an OS 19 in there. I was worried my 10 FP would be too much, IIRC the original had a 2cc comp special which has about as much poke as Nelson's right hand. "Don't loop it unless the wing's beefed up" It takes all sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Percival Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I remember building a Keil Kraft Outlaw (original design) in about 1959. I used a DC Sabre 1.49cc (which I still have somewhere) and it flew beautifully on Epsom Downs. I note that Ben Buckle still produces the printed balsa version of this kit but I can find no-one who does a laser cut kit although virtually every other KK model is available in that form. It would be nice to make another now - probably with rudder and elevator - but without the hastle of cutting out the fiddly ribs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Davis Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 Doesn't time fly! Nearly thirteen years since I started this thread and nearly ten years since the last post! However, I have decided to restore Uncle Ivor's Outlaw as a single channel model powered by the ED Competition Special in order to teach free flight trimming techniques to younger members of my club. I also intend to cover the model in tissue over doculam which will be a first for me. However, I need the help of the cognoscenti in choosing a servo to actuate the rudder. I have the following small servos in stock: 1. A Savox SH-0255mg. 2. A Hitec HS55. 3. A Hitec HS5055MG. 4. A Hitec HS-225BB. The first three servos are probably designed for use with electric models because they are supplied without any rubber grommets. Would they be suitable for a model powered by a diesel engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted October 14 Author Share Posted October 14 I still feel the need for advice concerning which servos to install in the Outlaw which is a 50"vintage KeilKraft kit. I will be powering it by an old ED Competition Special. I have a Hitec HS55 and an HS5055MG which I could use. Going slightly larger I have a pair of Savox SH-0255MG and going larger stilll I have a pair of Hitec HS225BB servos. I could always buy another HS55 or HS5055MG to produce a matching pair if necessary. Which would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 I revived some enthusiasm for Uncle Ivor's Outlaw by building the tail plane yesterday. I used De Luxe Materials Super Phatic glue for the build. I'm most impressed by this glue. I have decided to go with two elevators and I plan to increase the size of the wood in the fin and rudder from 1/8" to 3/16". I hope that does not make the tail-plane too heavy but I will have the rx battery and servos well forward to compensate. Do you think that a Hitec HS 55 will be strong enough for the job of actuating the rudder and elevator? If not I'll buy another HS 5505MG. Photos of the build will become available once someone shows me how to use my mobile phone as a camera. My real camera is hors service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Cripps Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 (edited) Use the HS225BB servos. Edited October 23 by Nick Cripps typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 If you stick to rudder-only you can enter the SAM free-flight-assist fun-comps at Old Warden (spot landing etc) 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 Bit of a drive from the middle of France to Old Warden! Besides I've added an elevator. My landings are bad enough even with an elevator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted October 28 Author Share Posted October 28 (edited) I have finished the tail surfaces and I'm just waiting for some small hinges to turn up before proceeding. No pictures I'm afraid as my camera is u/s. I have taken a few pictures on my phone but don't know how to transfer them from the phone to the internet. I have asked an IT expert to assist me. Edited October 28 by David Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 Tailplane under construction courtesy of my computer expert, Dave Burley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Something not quite right with the tip blocks...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: Something not quite right with the tip blocks...? Quite right Martin, they require cutting down to match the rib profile and a little sanding. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I thought perhaps that they might need to be shorter and wider? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 hours ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: I thought perhaps that they might need to be shorter and wider? 😉 Agreed they are not exactly the same shape as those shown on the plan but I am concerned about the tail plane being too heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 I am making some progress with tissue over doculam. There are one or two cosmetic errors to be addressed but I have not used tissue paper as a covering for over sixty years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgeflyer Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 My Southerner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 Very nice Edgeflyer but my model will be powered by an ED Competition Special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 The fuselage of Uncle Ivor's seventy-six year old Keil Kraft Outlaw has been prepared for covering in doculam and though you can't see it the servo plate has been installed. I need to open up the hole in the former to allow for the egress of the elevator push rod and the rudder's closed loop cables. The sheeted area of the fuselage was covered in at least three coats of paint so it took two or three goes with paint stripper and my orbital sander to get to this stage. The next job will be to install the servos, switch and elevator push rod before continuing with the covering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Hi Dave . Have you checked the 76 year old glue ? It might look sound but will be very brittle by now .... wick thin cyano (Zap) or similar into all joints to consolidate them before covering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 One or two of the glue joints have failed and have been repaired with cyano and epoxy in one case. I intend to do exactly as you suggest ED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted November 30 Author Share Posted November 30 I have hit a couple of snags. The fuselage is very narrow and the servos are mounted well down in the structure which means that they are not very accessible. This is the first time that I've used Hitec HS 5055 MG servos and their extremely small size has posed some problems. For example I had to move the output arm of the elevator servo but even my smallest Phillips head screwdriver was too large for the set screw which retained the output arm. I found one in my kitchen drawer which had been included in some long defunct ARTF kit. That fitted! I have a little 400 mAh four-cell NIMH battery which fits nicely between the engine bearers but it has a little BEC connector. This a small red component about 1 cm long by 5mm wide. I cannot get it to connect to the switch harness. I am going to replace the BEC connector with a more conventional fitting. One step forward etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 JST? Pretty much standard on smaller LiPos..... and lots of low amp esc are fitted with them. Or were, last time I looked for one. https://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/jst-male-female-connector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted November 30 Author Share Posted November 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, GrumpyGnome said: JST? Pretty much standard on smaller LiPos..... and lots of low amp esc are fitted with them. Or were, last time I looked for one. https://www.buildyourowndrone.co.uk/jst-male-female-connector Thanks for the info GG. I'm not really much of an electric flight man. I have a pack of more conventional connectors but I'm no good at crimping them onto bare wires. I will solder the wires onto an existing cable and terminal. Perhaps JST connectors are BEC connectors in French! 😉 Edited November 30 by David Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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