Monz Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Posted by Andy Meade on 29/10/2014 10:17:02: Ha! Fancy coming up with the goods afterwards like that Monz! Yes, it does show the front formers with no angled "vee" at the bottom, which is what I have worked too. Danny - every time I open it, I think the same thing! I think it's a visual thing, as there is so much wood in them at the moment compared to the fuselage. I will do a sanity check though against a scaled side view to keep us both happy. It does look odd. They must have had superb rudder authority Just ask next time I have thousands and thousands of three views and references saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Lol no worries still look massive in the corrected shot being a pain I know and please tell me to bog off but it still doesn't look right somehow, the fins look right compared to the fus, its the wing and nacelles that look too small perhaps? is it worth checking a few other dims, perhaps the span? Could of course just be me, I am not that familiar with the "Libby" Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Danny - always happy to receive comments before I finish painting at least I can correct it then. The wing and tail span are both a little stretched, but funny you should pick up on the nacelles. They are shrunk to about 90% of true scale at the moment, mainly to reduce the cross sectional area. The reasoning behind this, is specific to a sloper - I am already pushing a great big box through the air, and I have no motive power of course to drag the model forward. On windier days, I don't want to be struggling for penetration, is what it boils down to. The wing is less bulky as I have definitely not used the scale section - look at Monz's plan up there - it's huge! Again, no way I could live with that on the slope, so I am using an Eppler 205. I may re-visit it and thicken it ever-so-slightly to lessen the effect of it looking like a thin blade of a wing when head-on, but I'm not sure on how well that section behaves to being fatter just yet. Oh, another point on the wing - don't forget she hasn't got her tips on yet, so will definitely look shorter in that respect. I posted this overlay image on page 1, and you can see I'm relatively close to scale for the planform overall : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Ahh yes I remember seeing the overlay, sorry forgot about that The reduced frontal area of the nacelles makes sense, and perhaps the thinned wing section is what I am seeing? Glad you are all okay then and its just me. I really look forward to seeing this come together, you need parts! Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Jones Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 It's fake! The shadows are all wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Have you cut those parts for my Sukhoi yet Jonesy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 oops duplicate, please delete Edited By Andy Meade on 29/10/2014 11:33:52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well that was a fun few minute's modelling! I now have a ball turret - this will either get sent off to be 3D printed by RMP, or made in balsa if I'm feeling particularly masochistic (also known as Jones-like). The turret will of course retract, as per full size. I thought she'd look odd in the air without one, but didn't fancy landing on it either. On the subject of scale details - I figured out a way of doing the "shuttered" type of bomb doors that the Libby sported, but just couldn't figure out a way of doing it without 4 servos; light; easily repairable; or reliable, all in 12th scale. I still want an operating bomb-drop, so will be installing something simpler, as per Lancaster - just hinged, opening doors, but 4 off on the Lib - 2 front and 2 rear. If it was 10th scale, I could probably get it in there. Maybe for the electric version, if I do one. Rudders are now done but they aren't very interesting - that's it for today probably. Edited By Andy Meade on 30/10/2014 15:17:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Price 2 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Andy. This is going to be a great model. Good luck with the build, I shall be following with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Oh wow, why haven't I seen this before?? SUBSCRIBED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Welcome along guys, the more the merrier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Whats the life expectancy of the lower turret gunner when operating from the slope without wheels - I wouldn't fancy his job!! Does it really fully retract on the fullsize?? Cool! Edited By Phil Cooke on 30/10/2014 19:13:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Indeed it does! Because the main undercarriage is in the wing, the length of the legs is limited. That means the belly is quite low to the ground when she's on her wheels, and the ball must retract for clearance. There is even a skid in the aft section of the fuselage that is lowered upon take off to stop the pilot scraping the under side too much! Here you can see the ball turret (or not) sucked up into the belly, and the skid lowered : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 One more turret.. Two more turrets : Some hardware to add under the top turret now. It's great working on the laptop doing CAD work whilst the missus watches rubbish on the TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 smashing. i have to learn cad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I think those gun turret operators need some serious liability insurance. Someone's gunning for them! Arf Arf. Edited By Peter Garsden on 01/11/2014 21:11:11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 Har har! Glad the hawk is going well Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 A few stringers designed and cut into the formers tonight, other than that, not much activity this weekend. I have sketched out some bomb bay door mechanisms, and will have to commit them to CAD the coming week I hope. Front upper and lateral, as well as rear upper stringers : Underside stringers. Large bomb bay in view! : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Not a huge deal of progress at the moment, but I have printed out all the formers and ribs required, ready for a scroll saw session. Strangely, as soon as I started printing, I was a bit disappointed on how small she looks. Ah well, she's meant to be 12th scale to match the Me262, so I can't complain - I may think about scaling her up for a 10th or 9th scale electric version in the future. I squared up the bomb bay on the design too. It may be hard to tell form the pictures, but there was an approx. 8mm taper front to rear - a result of the lack of clarity in the sections I used. Now this has been squared up, I will be using roller shutter type (i.e. scale) bomb doors, after I found this nice site where a chap built a 12th scale Libby from a "Palmer" plan **LINK** Only things left to do now is to finish of the MiG tail upgrade, finish off some sanding on the Hunter, and the B24 can be started on the big bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 There is a nice "virtual" cockpit of the B24 here from the NMUSAF museum - actually of the Strawberry B***h, which is quite nice. If you scratch around a bit on their website, you can visit the bomb-bay, gunners seats etc throughout the plane. http://nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/024/B-24D%20Pilot%20Station.html Edited By Andy Meade on 17/11/2014 10:25:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 I had a great big delivery of liteply and obechi yesterday, so I can shortly start making some decent progress on this (and the T50 too). Happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Jones Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Has that wing been stretched?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Is there a way to block users at all? Matt - wingtip chord increased slightly (appx 8%) - whether or not that makes it into production like that, I don't know yet....I might stretch it and not tell you though to make my life easier Get back to painting that Vixen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 A quick check of the wood stock : Yup, looks fine. So yesterday's progress looks like this. A tailplane ready for wiring and bolt plates and top sheeting, and a semi-built fin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJ Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Hi Andy, I'm a late finder of this build blog, now subscribed! Great looking build. It looks like your balsa stash is much bigger than my LHS! Regards Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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