Flyer Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 must resist, must res........ 63" inch sounds very interesting! And would be worth the investment in a sound system. cheers Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 Ade, I am experimenting with a sound system also. I will keep you updated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew exton Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 oh c**p the bank manger will have something to say for sure andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR 71 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I think i will try one of these models, so many good comments about them, 63" for me, i usually like to cut all my own stuff, so a kit will be a nice change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 63" Tempest Like Ron I would convert to IC. Big fan of Richards kits (109, LA7, BF110) Will groveling get me a discount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 @SR - you wont regret one of Richard's kits and the after sales service is second to none, a bit like Jon at Laser, ask a question and get an answer. now you don't get that from Hangar 9, Seagull etc and they are British!!!! Edited By Ron Gray on 19/06/2020 19:40:32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I would be tempted with a 63" Tempest. I wrote my B.T. one off years ago avoiding a sheep which had wandered onto the strip. I wonder if Richard has any M.E.110 components left to make up a part kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Crook Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Richard makes a very good point about orientation issues with camoflaged models. However, with the Tempest you can pull the same trick that I did with a 56" Typhoon - model an aircraft used in the D-Day operation, those stripes are a massive help, as shown in the picture earlier in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose is the real hero Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I thought the whole WR Tempest thing was dead in the water! Great to see that is potentially not the case - count me in Richard if this becomes a reality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 Gentle progress today. (forgive the terrible pictures, my phone camera is broken!) Fitted up the fuselage formers and fitted laminated leading and trailing edge to the foam wing panels. Nice simple stuff. Tomorrow I will work on the wings: Fit the wing tips shape the leading edge Cut the wing panels and rejoin all the panels to get the polyhedral Set the undercarriage blocks Prefit the servo and retract extensions (I'm preparing for the eventual fitment of retracts, once I've got used to the fixed undercarriage) Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Morning all, A bit of gentle progress: Leading edges and trailing edges laminated. tips fitted and carved to shape. Wings cut and joined for polyhedral and undercarriage blocks added. Fuselage built, with battery box/ motor mount. Next job is to make the aileron servo boxes, separate the ailerons and join the wings... Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 What puzzles me is how do you cut an elliptical wing out of foam? Are you going with a fixed U/C Graham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Bob, Richard did tell me, but made me sign a very punitive NDA... I think I have to leave a deposit of bodily organs... Yes, fixed undercarriage as a 'training step' to be replaced with retracts once I can get it out and back without incident. I have pre fitted cable runs for retracts and the block will come out to be replaced with the retract plates and wheel recesses if we ever get that far. The whole purpose of this exercise is to get a semi-scale 'warbird trainer' before venturing onto more full-fat offerings. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Cardin Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Graham, what are those dark shades on the wing sheeting? I am following your thread with great interest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Jesus, I'm afraid the dark shades are accumulated pocket fluff on what is left of my phone camera! The lens cover shattered, and despite careful attention with a cotton bud, that's as good as I can get it! Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Way back in the early 1980s I had a veneered foam Typhoon from some long forgotten range of kits, it was a very similar construction to Richards WR designs though probably more cartoon scale. That was iirc 54" and powered with a Meteor 40 it flew superbly for several years, just like a low wing trainer but with attitude. They all had fixed U/C back then, you soon become blind to the dangling wheels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 Got a lot done today. The wings are pretty much done. I have used lightweight glass cloth to reinforce the centre join and will put a second layer on tomorrow. The ailerons are separated and lined with 1/8" balsa. I have completed the servo boxes, so once the second cloth layer is done, they are ready for covering. fuselage is nearly done. I have carved and shaped the foam decks. The rear deck will not be sheeted, but covered directly with brown paper. I have sheeted the front deck. This is not yet fitted as I have still to cut it in half for a battery hatch. I'm not going to do this until I have glassed the inside of the cowl (awaiting some resin). This will allow me to adjust the height to get an exact fit to the cowling. Richard's idea to make a 'sliding battery box/ motor mount' is brilliant. I will be able to get an exact fit of the spinner backplate to the cowl once this is fitted. Tail is fitted and drying. I have pre-carved some filler pieces and once these are fitted and the ply deck under the nose, it will also be ready to cover. And then I need to start making it look like a Tempest! Great, easy build so far. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Coming along a treat Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 Thanks Ron. Yes, it's moving at pace. I have since glassed the inside of the cowl. Well, some went on the cowl, most of it went on me, the cat, and random assorted things I touched and couldn't then let go of. I'd forgotten what a horrible job it is! I can now line up the front of the fuselage and will be then ready to cover. The wings are finished. I have to say, they are some of the best quality foam wings I've seen. But taking a saw to them to cut the panels for the polyhedral is really scary! Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Got to agree with you regarding the quality of the veneered foam wings from Richard, top notch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Evening all. A bit more progress. The airframe is pretty much done. Sheeted under the chin and lined up the cowl today. Just completed the wing fillets which will just need a few strokes of the sanding block tomorrow. Motor is mounted to the motor/ battery box and just needs lining up to the cowl and gluing into place. I covered the wing today using Richard's magic brown paper idea. So, how have I got this far without discovering this before? I pasted the paper with slightly thinned PVA, left it for a few moments and then ironed it on. Piece of cake! It irons on really well and goes around curved better than shrink film. Only challenge is a couple of bubbles where I need to inject a little PVA and tack it down. It looks great though and masks a lot of finish challenges that I would otherwise spend ages filling. Fuselage and control surfaces to cover tomorrow, then a coat of non-shrinking dope, and then onto trying to avoid messing up the paint. Talking of which, I bought some great paint from my employer; Rapid electronics. I got Ambersil grey acrylic primer, which is a pretty good match for the underside, and Plasticote primer which is a darker grey for the top. £6 a can and next day delivery! Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD WILLS Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Looks great Graham . I think most people who have tried the humble brown paper , dont go back to their old ways . Its cheap , simple , adds strength and doesnt smell . If you do get a few bubbles , you have either used pound shop glue (ask Glynn) , watered down good glue too much , or missed a bit when pasting . However all is not lost . Just cut an "H" or rugby goal with the cross bar through the blister . Gently open up the two doors and then rub a little pva in . Finally iron back the doors . As you say , Graham , it does cover most sins . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Absolutely right on the Poundland PVA, I had a couple of bubbles come up on the La7's wingtip where the paper lifted from the block area after the first coat of primer. A second point to watch out for is Tesco's brown wrapping paper has a fine striped appearance to it, it turns out to be visible in the final painted finish. Only if you look closely but once you know it's there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 I've actually gone upmarket and used Waitrose brown paper! Actually the only place locally I could get it! The PVA is a builder's grade and generally good, but clearly not as good as it could be! In fairness, there was one bubble on the underside and 2 on the top, so not widespread. I'll give it some attention later. I'm really impressed though. A thought struck me whilst I was happily applying paper; I have an Acrowot in the loft awaiting refurbishment. If I sheet the turtle deck, I can cover it in brown paper and give it a warbird paint job. That would pick it out from the crowd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Try greaseproof paper, I recall that PaulJ used this on his WR builds, it can be bought in big rolls (I bought one off Amazon, £10 for 50m) plus has the advantage that it doesn't need sealing prior to paint. Also don't rule out laminating film, even cheaper and really strong. Edited By Ron Gray on 05/07/2020 11:12:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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