Daithi O Buitigh Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 It's something overlooked in so many scale models. The Fokker D VII and D VIII also had the fin offset and the Messerchmitt BF 109s, from the F series onwards, used a Clark Y section on the fin/rudder. Most scale drawings don't show it, but close examination of photos do show it (as in the Knowlton D VII) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Andrews 1 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 danny as I approached the wire bending I became "chicken" and built a couple of free flight models!! I have bent nearly all of the 12 and 10swg bits but please tell me how to get those acute bends in the cabane joiners? Have I missed a trick and they are thinner wire. Someone please help before I start a different model Jim A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Out of interest how many have finished their Hawker Fury apart from Tony Bennett of courses 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Mine hasn't moved since Christmas. 4 months of recuperation at the beginning of the year totally mucked up any plans I had for this year. Hope to restart in the next few weeks as flying season slows down a bit. Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Mine is finished, but yet to fly. Having just moved house with much to do, regret that it might not make it this season. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Donaldson Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I'm afraid it is slow progress. The structure is more or less complete but the details will take some time before covering and painting. Danny, the horns and hinges arrived this morning. Thanks for your help. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Good to know there is progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Hi chaps. You might have noticed my recent comparative indisposition after the arm ripping incident. That has caused some re-ordering of events including delaying my eight day motorbike tour in Brittany and the French West coast by two weeks. I got back from that on Friday evening. The arm is healing well and not causing me any inconvenience, so all I need to do now is not repeat the experience and all will be well. As reported in the thread I finished the main work on the wings a few weeks back, taking quite a bit of care to get the detail on the carbon rod and brass tube wing attachments accurate, it did make quite a lot of extra work but will be worth it. Then I parked it for a bit to try and get in a bit more flying time and also to pay a bit of attention to the experiment with an RCGF 10cc petrol engine in a Hangar 9 Ultra Stik. Now I am back home I can finish that off and then get back onto the Fury. The next step with that is to sort out the aileron detail and then get onto the cabane and other strut and rigging issues. The airframe is basically built. So I hope to show some progress soon. Because I am going for a camouflaged finish I won’t be occupied with litho-plate detail so that will save some time. Weaving through all of this is my son’s wedding in less than two weeks, so that is going to provide some additional distraction. Also I’m waiting for news of the prospects for indoor flying at Shawbury, which is due about now I expect. Life goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I hope your arm is healing well , life indeed gets in the way two of my daughter's got married in the last two months progress on the Fury is slowly drawing to a close no hurry though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Donaldson Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 At last I am back working on the Fury. There have been too many distractions over the past few weeks ( and I am away from home all next week as well!!). The wings have progressed but I still have the ailerons to make and the servos to install. However I decided to complete the cabane and struts before going any further but am having difficulty. Are the strut dimensions as detailed on the drawing correct or do they need adjustment. I think that the rear struts should be longer. Also the jig appears to be too tall by about 5mm. Any advice would be appreciated. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Any ideas welcomed on how to get a 'commercial elevator horn' as shown on Sheet 2? I suppose I could try and make one. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Hi Stuart I am not aware of a commercially available one but if you look back through this thread you should be able to find where ours were sourced from I am not sure but it may have been Danny Fenton we had the whole set of horns and hinge pieces cut from glass fibre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Hi Stuart, they are available, we had a lengthy discussion during the Chipmunk masterclass build about them. The commercial ones are soft soldered and the general consensus was to not trust them. I gave mine a good test and it seemed okay. But to be honest if you can silver solder then make one yourself? Hope that helps? The horns Martian is referencing are the fibre glass board parts. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Thanks Danny and Martian. I don't think the glass fibre board parts contain an elevator horn. Any chance, Danny, you remember which commercial firms make a suitable version? I'm not experienced in silver soldering - could learn I suppose! Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Hi Stuart, I had a few flair fl2903 i think the part number was. Not sure how easy they will be to find? I need to do a quick video on silver soldering, do you want me to make you one? cost you a beer Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Danny, you are a kind lad! I'd love you to make me one... I think you'd deserve at least a double whisky.. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I don't do whisky I am afraid, beer is fine PM me your address and I will see what I can do How urgently do you need it? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 In case anyone has changed their mind about using litho sheets for the Fury this is just to say I still have a number of 30x45 cm sheets available. Send me a PM if you are interested, with your details. They are about 0.15mm thick which I find is ideal for the job. Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Your advice again Danny. From Sheet 1 of the plans it would seem as if there is an air gap under the fin when it is glued to the fuselage, above the tailplane. Since the tailplane is at a positive incidence of about 4 degrees this might be there so the incidence can be adjusted. However since the fin and tailplane are glued in place it would be difficult to readjust this incidence. Am I right in that there should be an air gap or perhaps I've got it all wrong! Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Hi Stuart, the Fury has a very clever way of altering the pitch trim. A threaded shaft runs up the rear of the fin post, it is rotated by a cable from the cockpit. the stabiliser front mount pivots, the rear mount is on a bogey fitted to that threaded shaft, as is the lower bracing strut and upper rigging wire. So the wires, braces and stab trailing edge all can go up and down. So really there should be a gap above and below the stab, to allow it to move. Dennis has taken an easier route and mounted the tail-plane in the full down trim position, ie abutted against the fuselage upper longeron. This stab gaps necessitates the fin also having a clearance to allow the stabs incidence to alter. So it looks kind of like this: Hope that helps? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Sephton 1 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 For what it's worth, I'll be mounting the tailplane on my model at zero degrees. I don't believe it necessary to mount it at such a negative angle as that shown on the plan. I'll be relying on elevator control to trim the aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Mine is not finished and i doubt it will ever be. the covering is pants and i have lost heart with it. sorry gents. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Rusby Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Many thanks Danny for your very helpful, and detailed reply. In view of Andy's comment (and he has flown the Fury) is it better to leave out this significant amount of incidence? It does seem rather a lot... Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Well that is up to you Andy, you have flown the full size. It is possible the 3 views are drawn with the elevator trim all the way in one direction, which could be misleading. To counter that, nobody has complained about the model flying with excessive trim? When I next see Richard Dalgleish I will ask him if his requires much trim. That is a real shame Tony, can anything be done to remedy the covering? is it going to alter the way it flies? probably not! Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I contacted Richard this morning and he said the model, built as per Dennis's plan, flies fine. So I leave it up to you guys what you want to do. I will be following the plan. Hope that helps Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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