Craig Spence Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) Framed out the other side of the stab tonight. The fit between the two is great although was tedious trimming the holes. Stops are in for the tubes now and I’ve decided to go against plan screw into the wing tube to fasten the stab. I’ve also found that the hinge holes in the tail are out by about 1.5mm! Doesn’t sound much but it will mess up the geometry. So In a way, I’m glad I’m still waiting on bits because once the stab and elevator are complete I’ll have to do surgery on the tail of the fuz to change the hinge point!? Not a major though and I will replace the brass for a carbon tube now with a 3mm internal diameter. This way I can fit the elevator, align the hinge in the fuz and glue in place. I know better but never mind. I’ve also found out that I’m going to need some smaller high torque servos for the stab. A standard one will fit but much better to have smaller ones and room to adjust. Waiting on parts for the stab now. Edited April 11, 2022 by Craig Spence Didn’t upload last photo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 Well, turns out waiting for parts has really done me a favour because I’ve noticed a load of things I need to do before sheeting. Tonight I’ve been working on the stab & it’s been great, as previously said I’ve noticed a few alignment issues and it’s really helped. I e also glued foam & started shaping it to the rudder, if it’s over or under the profile I can sort it out so all good. Tomorrow I think I’ll start the elevators but I’ll be using light ply and not birch, this should help keep the weight down and still maintain the strength. Also had a good drink, why not Anyway, happy Easter to all ??????? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 Little bit of work done the other night. Added foam tip and base to rudder, I will have to put finishing resin on this to toughen it up at a later date. Started the elevator halves and hinging, I used lite ply for these which is proving to be a good choice as the rudder weight is quite high with the birch (supplied in kit). Decided to cut the elevator half’s myself. Have a good weekend all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 that is one big rudder almost as big as the garage door ') 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Martian said: that is one big rudder almost as big as the garage door ') It is big but not that big ? look forward to covering it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 Fitted 20kg Savox servos today and continued with hinging. The hatches for the servos will be all in one, I’ve done similar with my bolt and it will become apparent later. Elevator horns will be made from G10 and slots will be cut later to accommodate these, the elevator leading edge is mainly balsa but the hold will be strong with these epoxied in. Gonna be a while for the stab and just as well really, just told yesterday that retracts won’t be turning up till end of May now! I just they don’t turn up ?, the fellas a nice bloke so I’m sure they will. But so far I’ve had 3 months delay to the project due to the kit and retracts. Hopefully I can get it finished this year as that is the plan. Hope everyone had a good Easter break 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew exton Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 hi nice project & building sure it will look impressive when done . l i am currently building the sarick hobbies one about 60 inch span i think , andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 8 hours ago, andrew exton said: hi nice project & building sure it will look impressive when done . l i am currently building the sarick hobbies one about 60 inch span i think , andy Thanks Andy, I have heard the smaller ones fly great so would be good to see once you have it done ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew exton Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 15 hours ago, Craig Spence said: Thanks Andy, I have heard the smaller ones fly great so would be good to see once you have it done ? Hi Sure will do ,hitting a few stubbing blocks as plan is for fixed gear & im trying to retracts , thought about flaps too but might give them miss on this one andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) It’s been a while! I’ve been away for celebrations past few weeks. There is a method to fix the stab to the fuz but I preferred a different method for maintenance purposes. I screwed in a threaded insert at near 45% angle, then drilled out a dowel which will be the fixing point later. The dowel will be reinforced locally as well. I will later add a carbon tube to guide the bolt down to the dowel and sand flush. The plan method is to insert a 10mm dowel into the fuz stab rib and on the end of this would be a T-nut. I’m not keen on this for alignment and also if the tail plane ever takes a knock it would mean serious surgery. Whereas if the tail plane takes a knock with a threaded insert it’s an easy fix. Retracts arnt due until end of May now so more delays! Edited May 8, 2022 by Craig Spence Photo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 neat idea Craig and welcome back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Martian said: neat idea Craig and welcome back Thanks Martian, I’m hoping to get the other half done this week ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I know that clamping as a "Merlyn lock" or very similar. I have used them many times. First seen in use by the late Merlyn Graves, a terrific modeller. In this case they are holding the wing panels for my Piper Apache together. Looking good Craig ? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Danny Fenton said: I know that clamping as a "Merlyn lock" or very similar. I have used them many times. First seen in use by the late Merlyn Graves, a terrific modeller. In this case they are holding the wing panels for my Piper Apache together. Looking good Craig ? Cheers Danny Cheers Danny, cheers and great to see it done like that ? The plan calls for a dowel and a T Nut but I swayed for this, the way that is done is better as well as the tube goes through the sheeting, I’ll be cutting around mine and sanding flush. it’s not great but will look good once sanded and glassed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Its coming along really nicely. Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Decided to crack on with one stab half. Sheeted it and decided to cut the servo hatch (the hatch will be made after glassing and I will cut it from G10). To extend the bolt out of the skin I decided to use carbon so I can sand it down easily enough (with a bit more prior thought I could have done this a lot neater but it will look fine and won’t add much weight). Filled in the gap around the tube by layering balsa from the inside and then cut the tube with a dremel and slowly sanded it down. Fillers been added and I will do the final sand tomorrow if this area and move to the other stab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 One stab nearly completed. I’ll add a 1/8th G10 trailing edge at a later date and hatch cover. Now this is done I’ve paved the way for the other one and elevators but that won’t be happening till next week now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 Small update tonight. Added tips to one elevator and sanded the leading edge and tip. Functioned to see if all is ok and it’s looking good. Hopefully I’ll get the stabs and elevators finished this week and then move back into the fuselage. Still waiting on retracts (end of June!) but I’ve decided I’m going to go ahead and sheet it after drilling holes for the nose retract and adding t-nuts. I’ve asked the manufacturer to not drill holes in the mount so I can sheet the model without fear of issues. I have found a right pig of a curve to sheet on the main wing fairing which is really going to test me. I’ll add updates when that happens ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 Also tried function and it’s all good, the fuselage hinge needs adjusting but apart from that it’s all good. Looking forward to getting these done. IMG_3730.MOV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Hi Craig, I am not sure I understand those pics. The way you have moved the surface is showing a great deal of elevator leading edge into the airflow, that indicates the hinge point is way too far to the rear. Hopefully I have just misinterpreted your pics? Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Danny Fenton said: Hi Craig, I am not sure I understand those pics. The way you have moved the surface is showing a great deal of elevator leading edge into the airflow, that indicates the hinge point is way too far to the rear. Hopefully I have just misinterpreted your pics? Cheers Danny I don't think you have Danny the root of the elevator shows the leading edge higher than the tail plane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Danny Fenton said: Hi Craig, I am not sure I understand those pics. The way you have moved the surface is showing a great deal of elevator leading edge into the airflow, that indicates the hinge point is way too far to the rear. Hopefully I have just misinterpreted your pics? Cheers Danny Hi Danny, I agree it is unusual but it is scale to the plan and scale to the aircraft to have offset hinges for rudder, elevator and ailerons. I believe the reason is as you say but to actually cause a high point of drag, meaning my landings will be hot ?? The only conventional hinge is on the flaps which are bottom hinged. It is an unusual aircraft and was ahead of it’s time but also with many faults ? I’ll post a reference later ? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Danny Fenton said: Hi Craig, I am not sure I understand those pics. The way you have moved the surface is showing a great deal of elevator leading edge into the airflow, that indicates the hinge point is way too far to the rear. Hopefully I have just misinterpreted your pics? Cheers Danny Had a read today and makes total sense. Read the link below mate https://www.kitplanes.com/wind-tunnel-offset-hinge-lines/ Very interesting and goes to show the effort Mr Bates has went to to make it as scale as possible ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Not sure I interpret that the way you do Craig. But if you are happy then who am I to say. Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Spence Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Danny Fenton said: Not sure I interpret that the way you do Craig. But if you are happy then who am I to say. Cheers Danny The extending leading edge is designed to get drag to help the pilot pull manoeuvres with manual controls. The leading edge will catch air and help deflect the surface more so pilot doesn’t have to rely on brute strength. How did you read it? A lot of warbirds have this on the rudder & some civils. As well as ailerons as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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