cymaz Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It seems someone has been out with their Christmas present......obviously the offender will be caught as it’s properly registered https://fb.watch/aIVjt5CujG/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The drone laws penalise the law abiding especially us with our RC 'toys' and it's mostly because of these idiots and over zealous politicians who want a law in their name,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 If you're not breaking the law when flying, how are you being penalised? The BMFA have done an outstanding job of putting our side forward and ensuring a positive, light regulatory touch that takes account of advances in the technology and leaves us free to fly in peace. No politician wants a drone law named after them, they'd far rather be remembered for something that permeates the public conciousness or becomes a work of grand infrastructure. Idiots will always be idiots, regardless of legislation, the method of idiocy is irrelevant. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lima Hotel Foxtrot said: If you're not breaking the law when flying, how are you being penalised? The BMFA have done an outstanding job of putting our side forward and ensuring a positive, light regulatory touch that takes account of advances in the technology and leaves us free to fly in peace. No politician wants a drone law named after them, they'd far rather be remembered for something that permeates the public conciousness or becomes a work of grand infrastructure. Idiots will always be idiots, regardless of legislation, the method of idiocy is irrelevant. "how are you being penalised?" Ten years ago there were no laws here so you could fly anything anywhere !, accidents were a thing that happened in model clubs, now we are penalised " leaves us free to fly in peace. " "as you can only fly in a club and have to pass a test and register your flying stuff,,, "No politician wants a drone law named after them, " oh come on not one death from a model rc drone world wide and so many laws,,, "Idiots will always be idiots, regardless of legislation," yes you said it so why do you account for all of these laws ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Sorry mate, I can think (know) how a drone an be dangerous. Perhaps I’m not the first. 10 years ago, I could get the feel ( couldn't be be bothered to find out) how a drone can be dangerous. Don't blame politicians here. Toy planes are just a casualty in a definition process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: "how are you being penalised?" Ten years ago there were no laws here so you could fly anything anywhere !, accidents were a thing that happened in model clubs, now we are penalised " leaves us free to fly in peace. " "as you can only fly in a club and have to pass a test and register your flying stuff,,, That is a specious argument. By your own logic you state laws that have no material effect on you are a form of penalising you, but you fail to state how you are being penalised. If you're getting miffed over what is to all intents and purposes a sensible addendum to the ANO regarding how club based UAV operators operate legally within UK airspace which, to repeat myself, makes absolutely no material difference to how you were previously flying, then I suggest you leave your club and fly freely in the countryside like some sort of aeromodelling warrior for how things used to be back in the good old days. If you don't bother anyone, nobody will bother you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 lhf, didn't you read my post, I CAN'T FLY ANYWHERE EXCEPT ON A FFAM MODEL FIELD WITH A REGISTERED NUMBER AND TAKING A TEST TO GET IT,,, can you read that ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: lhf, didn't you read my post, I CAN'T FLY ANYWHERE EXCEPT ON A FFAM MODEL FIELD WITH A REGISTERED NUMBER AND TAKING A TEST TO GET IT,,, can you read that ?. Is that because you are in France? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Yes isn't it the same in England ?, Don't you have to pay to register your planes ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: Yes isn't it the same in England ?, Don't you have to pay to register your planes ?. Yes £9 a year which is handled by the BMFA. Cheap and easy so no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 So you can fly anything anywhere legally in England ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 In France you have to register ever aircraft you fly but there is no charge and you have to fly from an approved flying field. I don't know how slope soarers manage because I'm only really interested in powered models.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 yes, anywhere. that said there's a minimum distance to uninterested parties to take note of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Calcutt Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Yes we don't have Macron! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, David Davis 2 said: In France you have to register ever aircraft you fly but there is no charge and you have to fly from an approved flying field. I don't know how slope soarers manage because I'm only really interested in powered models.. Our local soaring site has been registered on the NOTAMS for years and has been included as a legal site,, and now even my garden is limited to a 50 metre height restriction,,,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I thought you didn't have to register an aircraft in France if it was under 800 gramms and could fly it anywhere as long as it complied with airspace restrictions and away from habitation etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Bob Bertram said: I thought you didn't have to register an aircraft in France if it was under 800 gramms and could fly it anywhere as long as it complied with airspace restrictions and away from habitation etc. Quite right but I don't have any model aircraft that light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Thank goodness, I haven't broken any laws then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Not quite right about flying only from registered sites in France. That applies to aircraft over 800g not fitted with an electronic here I am device. Edited January 24, 2022 by Don Fry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: lhf, didn't you read my post, I CAN'T FLY ANYWHERE EXCEPT ON A FFAM MODEL FIELD WITH A REGISTERED NUMBER AND TAKING A TEST TO GET IT,,, can you read that ?. Oh, how silly of me, not having my mind reading abilities turned on and therefore not knowing you are in a totally different country. Maybe you should have led with that fact, what with the incident under discussion happening in the UK. ALSO, I CAN SHOUT IN A POST TOO! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The problem that many of us have is not the bother or expense of paying a registration fee and answering a few multiple guess questions, but just what good and true benefit the legislation actually has and the genuine concern that those in power will get a taste for even more onerous changes as time goes on. Yes, BMFA has done a great job in deflecting and moderating a great deal of the foolishness from those who came up with all this on the back of the falsehood of our skies becoming black with delivery drones (still waiting BTW), the commercialisation to a HUGE degree of the low airspace, or our countryside littered with full sized aircraft brought down by drones or model aircraft and not forgetting the rediculous and infamous Gatwick Airport 'Incident'. Infringements of law will continue as we've seen only in the last few days and it strikes me that very little in the way of aprehending and prosecuting these people seems to meet with much success. Goodness knows how many people or events are pestered with nuisance drones or whatever, but either never report anything or if they do, it's just filed away and forgotten. I've said before that I believe the regulations will eventually be watered down as their lack effectiveness is realised and I think we need to hold the legislators feet to the fire to encourage a much more hands off approach over the coming years. We are where we are now and I accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff S Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I doubt if the regulations will be watered down due to their lack of efficacy but they will be largely ignored by both the public and the police - as they are now by and large. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, Geoff S said: I doubt if the regulations will be watered down due to their lack of efficacy but they will be largely ignored by both the public and the police - as they are now by and large. In part, I agree. However why would a piece of legislation that will in time be clearly shown to be redundant IMHO, be persisted with after being shown to be a bad and ineffective law? £9 is not a lot of money to pay along with a bit of box ticking to abide by the law at the moment and get a 'rubber stamp' to fly legally, but don't expect it to stay that way - and for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) don't you think that the regs intoduced aren't to deter bona fide members of associations...who try to do what they have been told(most of the time)...... but are there to make someone think twice about buying a radio controlled model of whatever description .....bearing in mind all the stuff they need to do to fly lawfully? ...... instead of out of the box and fly....regardless.....and cause an accident/incident. as an aside,not long ago there was a theory that the regs were to clear the airways....and allow Drones to fly,here there and everywhere.......that seems to have gone quiet also...... i may be wrong of course.? ken anderson...ne..1... regs dept. Edited January 24, 2022 by ken anderson. added some more words of wisdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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