Dickw Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 9 minutes ago, payneib said: If you have a BMFA "e membership card" in the "wallet" on your phone, it's actually displayed in there. No, that's the Operator ID not the Flyer ID! Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payneib Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 7 minutes ago, Dickw said: No, that's the Operator ID not the Flyer ID! Dick I'm sure it'll update when the wallet does too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 4 minutes ago, payneib said: If you have a BMFA "e membership card" in the "wallet" on your phone, it's actually displayed in there. Until pondlife nicks the phone. One night, lad wanders into the office. “Sarge, my complainant is stuck, no handbag, no money. Can I take her home.” I had noted the endless legs of this beautiful creature. I knew the reputation of the aspiring sex God before me. Cautioned, “any adverse comments, you will be dead my son”, off he went. I got a letter from her dad, complimenting me for supplying Sir Galahad. They married in the end. Not dad, the daughter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 3 minutes ago, payneib said: I'm sure it'll update when the wallet does too. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddleSticks Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 23/10/2024 at 17:42, Geoff S said: I've no real idea why there are two different IDs required. One is to identify you personally. The other is to identify the 'operator' of the aircraft. EG you might be an approved pilot and have your ID (think of it as your licence) but your aircraft (or you can think of it as a car) also needs to be registered to 'someone' or an organisation. In our hobbies case it can be anyone flying - so you could for example take your ID off the aircraft and affix another pilots to it if you're letting them fly it. This is of course a in reality a triviality. Most pilots aren't going to lend their prized and expensive aircraft to others to risk trashing and lets face it, it won't be stopping any criminals either - they will just carry on using their equipment without obeying any rules. It reminds me of the Continuous Insurance Enforcement that the DVLA run. Years ago you could keep a car taxed but not insure it until you needed to use it. I used to do this - I had two cars and paid tax on both but only insured one at a time as the other car was a spare for when my daily driver went wrong - a quick phone call to the insurance company and it was legal to use but getting it taxed was always a pain so it was easier just to keep it taxed. The government decided that forcing us all to either insure or declare SORN would somehow stop all those naughty joy riders and so they introduced CIE. Result? They no longer get that extra road tax from me as I now declare the car off road instead (SORN). Naturally it stopped absolutely no criminal activity at all - the rule breakers just carry on. I sent DVLA a Freedom of Information request over this years ago and naturally they replied with the standard blurb about how it was to stop rule breakers breaking the rules.. wood / trees. In this case the CAA are doing a similar thing but on a smaller scale (excuse the pun). It's the usual case of politicians and authorities knowing best. The reality is that right now, I could walk 3 mins down the road to our local park, fly a large aircraft displaying absolutely no ID at all, fly around for half hour, come back home and they'd be none the wiser - and neither would most of the public (if any) who saw it. I sent the CAA a freedom of information request about this years ago, they just ignored it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, FiddleSticks said: One is to identify you personally. The other is to identify the 'operator' of the aircraft. EG you might be an approved pilot and have your ID (think of it as your licence) but your aircraft (or you can think of it as a car) also needs to be registered to 'someone' or an organisation. In our hobbies case it can be anyone flying - so you could for example take your ID off the aircraft and affix another pilots to it if you're letting them fly it. ................................... Close, but no need to change the number on the plane. The number on the plane is your Operator ID, and as the "Operator" it is your responsibility to make sure anyone who flies it (including yourself) is competent - which in future will mean they have a Flyer ID. So you could let anyone fly it provided they have a Flyer ID, but there is no need to change the number on the plane. You are still the operator even when they are flying it. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddleSticks Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 9 hours ago, Dickw said: Close, but no need to change the number on the plane. The number on the plane is your Operator ID, and as the "Operator" it is your responsibility to make sure anyone who flies it (including yourself) is competent - which in future will mean they have a Flyer ID. So you could let anyone fly it provided they have a Flyer ID, but there is no need to change the number on the plane. You are still the operator even when they are flying it. Dick You don't take the registration plate off the car do you.. but you still have a separate driving licence with it's own ID. In our case, the operator ID would change on the plane if for example you sold it to another pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 7 hours ago, FiddleSticks said: You don't take the registration plate off the car do you.. but you still have a separate driving licence with it's own ID. In our case, the operator ID would change on the plane if for example you sold it to another pilot. Not sure what cars have to do with it, but you are correct that it would be advisable to remove your operator ID from a plane if you sold it to someone else. They could (should) then put their own OP ID on it. BUT No need to change it if you let someone else fly it while you remain the operator - you will just need to be sure they have a Flyer ID. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wihtgar Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Anybody seen their Flier ID issued by the BMFA yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 (edited) Got my flyer ID a good few days ago (as have a number of clubmates) - all issued by CAA though ? Edited October 31 by GrumpyGnome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Christy Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Nothing here, yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wihtgar Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Found it in the junk folder, came 25th October from the CAA! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lee Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 None of the handful at the field yesterday have received anything as yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Got mine direct from the CAA in the early hours of this morning. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBG Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Mine arrived from the CAA on Wednesday 23rd. I do everything through the BMFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 An update on issuing Flyer ID's at https://bmfa.org/flyer-ids-for-bmfa-members-update 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Smith 1 Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 Nothing for me yet. No CAA email in spam/junk. My opt ins box is ticked and my RCC has uploaded for over a year now. I guess I will have to patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan W Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Keeping a weather eye on my junk mail folder, in the small hours of this morning I did receive a mail from drone.model.aircraft.registration.service.uk@notifications.service.gov.uk with my new Flyer ID vaild for 5 years, along with confirmation of my existing Operator ID. So it seems that the system is working and thanks to the BMFA for persevering with this on our behalf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 9 hours ago, Jonathan W said: Keeping a weather eye on my junk mail folder, in the small hours of this morning I did receive a mail from drone.model.aircraft.registration.service.uk@notifications.service.gov.uk with my new Flyer ID vaild for 5 years, along with confirmation of my existing Operator ID. So it seems that the system is working and thanks to the BMFA for persevering with this on our behalf. I spoke to the team at the CAA about their emails ending up in SPAM yesterday, they are looking in to that problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wihtgar Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Just found an email from the BMFA about the emails from the CAA landing in the junk folder. The BMFA email was also in the junk folder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenRow Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 51 minutes ago, Wihtgar said: Just found an email from the BMFA about the emails from the CAA landing in the junk folder. The BMFA email was also in the junk folder! Ha ha. This happens quite often. If you see a message in your junk / spam folder that is from a sender that you want to continue to receive e-mails from, you can normally 'teach' your e-mail filter to send future e-mails from that sender straight to your inbox. Sometimes this is done by clicking on the relevant e-mail and highlighting it as 'not junk' or something similar. Alternatively you can add trusted senders onto what is known as a white list... that will be somewhere under tools or options, depending on the system you use to read your e-mails. Once done, all future e-mails from that sender will go into your inbox, rather than junk / spam. Unfortunately when senders use several, slightly different, e-mail addresses, this can fall down. This happens with the BMFA amongst others. To get over this you can 'teach' your e-mail filter to let any e-mails from that domain (eg BMFA.org) through into your inbox. Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Z Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 Regular reviews of your junk folder highly recommended- often find good e-mails there. Less often actual junk! Technology would be good if reliable! However, I still have one e-mail address that is always full of junk. Soon to be cancelled !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyP Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Still no sign of my Flyer I.d. anyone else still waiting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 I don't think you need to panic yet - If you have not received a Flyer ID by Monday 25th November, and are expecting one, please email [email protected]. There is no need to contact us before this date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Flynn 1 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Yes I’m also sat by my ipad waiting for the registration number that is going to change my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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