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I do accept that the technology was invented anyway and im not blaming modellers for this. The technologies were made available and we all used them...the rise of uav and its call on airspace is just an unintended consequence of a worldwide uptake and development of the various technologies. There was no alternative, i do understand that and im not apportioning blame. All im saying is we are here, we as people, not just modellers but almost everyone, brought it on ourselves.
I hope the multi rotor personal transport does materialise, it ought to! But its use will be a major challenge. Mind you, otherwise sensible folks would also ban electric scooters so heaven knows what theyll make of air taxis!! Pitchforks and torches i should think.
I was pondering the way through this...perhaps flying models from, and only from, designated sites so that other uav can be made aware of us. Im not sure how secure that would be, but it might be one way.
Full size aircraft are not manadated to use transponders unless fitted, but if they are fitted their use in compulsory. Some airspace is already designated transponder mandatory and thus closed to none squawking traffic. Maybe thats what will happen to us.
Im sure we will find a way. We usually do. Whats the alternative? No aeromodelling?
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The "we" is all.of us who use and fly remotely operated vehicles. My point is that we, "we", have financed the development of the various technologies UAV need to operate. Unintended consequences etc
I am certain that the integration is what is being sought...but modellers will, IMHO, share no part innthis future. I truly believe autonomous air taxis and personal transports are the way ahead...if not then this generation is missing a trick...but they will demand full electronic conspicuity for all air traffic...ALL airtraffic. Since models wont have that there seems only one way to go. Autonomous delivery vehicles, ambulances and military traffic...all are coming and all demand transponders in anything that flies between 0 and 500ft agl.
We will be excluded from the the airspace I fear.
I know I see a dark future but i cant see a way round it.
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46 minutes ago, jeff2wings said:
The engine plate sits on wood blocks yes? Cut top of f1 flush with blocks, move engine and adjust tank bay to suit, there should be room still for a 4oz tank that will be plenty for a 30fs
Job done. Looks much better now. A few steps backward but the end result will be nicer. Thanks for pointing it out chaps.
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5 minutes ago, jeff2wings said:
I must admit I am more into building than flying these days, the workshop is a lot closer than the flying field after all 😄😄 I have a couple of plans from Mr Knowles stable, the Andromeda and Stringalong awaiting their turn on the building board.Just a personal observation l would be inclined to move the engine back an inch or there abouts I think it will help with the balance and looks ,following with interest.
I agree, but theres no where for it to go back! F1 is blocking it! Behind F1 is the tank bay. The PAW on John T's also protrudes quite a long way.
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6 hours ago, leccyflyer said:
Good post, but then you have to go and spoil it by reference to things that you just don't happen to like, such as cheap Chinese foamies. The existence of cheap Chinese foamies has zero impact on the bringing of this legislation, any more than the existence of Keil Kraft Flying Scale rubber powered models - well other than the definition of the latter as flying models was hugely optimistic.
Ah, you see, you infer what you should not. I NEVER said I dislike cheap chinese foamies - I have them here and have had many more! I also have drunk a lot of diet coke...and that is also not really in my best long term interests! I like the foamies, my B24 is way better than I could ever build...but it has brought with it a plethora of issues! I think one of the issues is that now (well not now, but since they became available) anyone could grab a model and fly it anywhere...and they did / have/ do. When we built them, cared for them and flew on private land or at a club (or indeed as a club on common land), things were more controlled - it took effort and rather self regulated. The foamie changed everything. I am not knocking what I dont like (I like the foamies) - you might do that, feel free - but I am critiquing what we, and *I* - have done...it has not all been in our best long term interests. However, at the time we didn't know and even if we had known, would we have changed anything? I doubt it.
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Well this build is fun but it shows that I havent installed a glow motor for a very, very long time! All the little tricks and traps we learn over a lifetime are coming out of the woodwork - literally - and usually one screw too late!
I must say the model is a beaut and the saito 30 looks a dream in its mount. (just test fitted in photo) A long way to go but the fuselage is well under way. Ive never been a fast builder and this is no exception, but I am finding it deeply satisfying to once again bash balsa, especially knowing this will be classic dope and tissue, 3 ch radio (sadly no trailing aerial pinned to the tail...). I havent been this excited over a model for a long time.
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In afraid being a member of the travelling community is a protected characteristic these days.
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7 minutes ago, Ron Gray said:
That is what they want, people to get fed up and not do anything about it as they can't be bothered!
Absolutely.
The issue is autonomous air vehicles of the future. There is no doubt that autonomous vehicles, flight planned on line and remotely authorised to fly, will be very commonplace. It makes sense. Trouble is it will effectively close all airspace below say 500ft AGL to anything and everything not squawking an ID. I fear a lot of light aviation, paragliding, kite flying and of course models will either have to carry transponders or be grounded. We are heading for a gloomy future and we brought it on ourselves with flight sims, cheap chinese foamies, quads and FPV. Add a bit of gps and a few greedy accountants and bingo...aeronautical dystopia.
The CAA dont care, they dont have the manpower let alone the will power. Anyone with half a brain can, if they want to, distinguish between a drone, a UAS and a model aeroplane and they need make no reference to 'toys' to do it. The CAA is a profit centre and thats their bottom line.
Model fliers could EASILY be excluded from all this legislation if it were about anything except an airspace grab. The rules achieve no increase in safety because the bad guys wont comply. The stupid wont comply. The ignorant wont comply. Only the good guys will try, and fail and be grounded or punished.
Quite how my 4ft span 3 channel model with a duration of 10 minutes affects anything except a commercial autonomous vehicle is hard to see. Its an airspace grab pure and simple.
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I filled it and sent it. But like others, from the pov of a balsa basher. Many of the solutions just dont apply to what I do. As for remote ID...absolutely NOT. What if theres no cell link nearby? It becomes pointless. Its pointless anyway because naughty people wont obey. As for geoawareness, i pointed out that as a manual LOS flier I am always geo aware. I know where i am.
Its all rubbish of course, the genie is out of the bag now. I see a future where the only model flying will be furtive home built small stuff.. all else banned. I remember reading about certain Arab states where this was the case in the 80s and thinking "how?". Now i know.
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Short answer to the half power etc etc is ..depends. series or parallel fed? Same battery or twice as big /one each? Apply logic.
Two airscrews won't pull the model twice as far... a 9 inch pitch is a 9 inch pitch however many props there are doing it. They might do it faster or more reliably (ie without slip) or pull more mass through that 9 inches, but 9 inches it will be
The real answer you want is that yes, you can run the four engined model on two motors and two dummies and most builders probably would.
Sounds a fun.project and a few pics would be nice to see.
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Generally speaking i trace the shape, tape to wood, cut outside and sand. Then i invariably wipe off the blood, cyano my wound and give it ten minutes.
I would not win builders awards.
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Maybe the golden age of ludicrously scale club hacks has finally ended? Nonone needs to fly a spitfire with the detail we have come to expect. I had as much fun...more maybe...with my old foxjet. Perhaps its a return to "proper" aeromodelling that is about to begin.
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He says he wants to learn to use ailerons so i assume he can pole a basic 3ch round. Dazza, if you cant fly i urge you to build a proper S60 with RET and get a mate to teach you. Dont waste a super 60.
Actually my lads learnt on hobbyking supercubs...i hate to say it but better than a S60 really as they bounce!
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I think you'll struggle to get the engine WRONG in a S60. A very versatile little aeroplane. Youve chosen well
I look.forward to the pics .
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Well its bright!!
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Lovely model...shame to add ailerons though as it flies and looks so much better as RET. Your model though and however it ends up you will love it. Finest.model design going IMHO. GOOD LUCK and i hope you enjoy your modelling.
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Oh im not saying its not authentic...just not pretty
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I agree.
Im building as per ..the huge dihedral is what i find attractive.
Also to be covered in tissue
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Thanks amd thanks for that wonderful booklet. Lovely to read these old documents...i must remember to trim my reeds!!
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Wanted to build this for sooo long. Finally started a kit i vought from Colin Buckle earlier this summer. Itll have a 4 stroke fitted in due course.
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I had a 50 or 60 inch Jodel whch i bought from Apple up in the north west, brought it all the way home.to salisbury and sold it. To this day i have no idea why...it was beautiful. I regret that.
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On 06/08/2023 at 19:46, Don Fry said:
Someone bought me a plastic delta, about 10 cm span, lofted by an elastic band. I was about seven. So late 50’s. Hooked. If you launched it upright, (bigger elastic band, power upgrade), it looped, and could debrain the launcher. Angle the launch, it spiralled up. I watched one, caught in a thermal, disappear forever. Magic.
Cheap.
Then I entered this vale of tears, KK CHAMP.
I had one of those. Red i believe...used to fly well or thwack your fingers. I had a few from the local "bike shop". Dont really count them.tho
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No idea...something many decades ago...free flight of course, glider probably, or rubber balsa and tissue, probably 1970 or 71 ish?
First RC a Tauri or Taurus...
First succesful one a gentle lady glider with Acoms RC
First successful power Super 60...best model ever designed...1986. I still call the man who taught me to fly it my second dad. He gave me the gift of wings.
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3 hours ago, Phil Green said:
With several hobby pastimes besides model flying I generally have so many projects on the go I find it very hard to keep track. Since the start of Covid I've been 3/4 through a 'retro' reproduction build of a 1970's SWTPC6800 computer with little progress, my homebrew fhss R/C project has been pretty static since I started flying it all the time, its taken 2 years to rebuild my motorbike after the big crash, the 'garden' is a jungle... but it doesnt worry me, these are all hobbies, none are crucial, a pastime should really be just something to pass the time when there are no chores to do! (as if that ever happens...) 😁
I hate the phrase "passtime". Time is too precious to pass it. My hobbies are my life...they make me who i am.
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CAA Call for Input: Review of UK UAS Regulations Aug 2023
in All Things Model Flying
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Ok here we go. Google Wisk Aero and look for their Cora aircraft. Registration N307 XZ. It was demod at oshkosh and is....a fully autonomous electric vtol airtaxi. Coming to airspace near you soon...
Actually, its a damned good idea and i hope our childrens generation get it right, but it will gobble up airspace like a labrador in a cake shop.