I think Erfolg needs to move into the 21st Century. He's takling about Leyland, Metro's, Waltron, KeilKraft, Veron and Merco. All gone and finished.The consumer products of thirty years ago don't compare with those of today. Yes even German cars weren't perfect. My 1983 Mercedes 230E was an unreliable nightmare that rotted underneath, as were my BMW 2002's.Unfortunately for Rover, by the time the 75 came out, the management were thieving the company's assets, with inevitable results. Having said that my 43 year old Jaguar Mk2 is still going strong despite being built to 1960 quality standards. My modern Jaguar just clocks up the miles without complaint. The fact is, if we don't support our own workers and manufacturers, how are we to fund our public services and trade our way out of the huge deficit which is going to weigh heavily on all of us for the next few years.