Hi Roger I've just re read your posting and you mentioned building a Rudder Bug, I was fortuneate enough to aquire plans for the 'Bug' along with the Dave Platt 'Half Tone'. You're more than welcome to a copy of the 'Bug' plan, I built the Half Tone and was quite impressed with it's performance. I've also built quite a few other oldies like Electra, Super 60, Smog Hog , Astro Hog. All of these I still have and fly when conditions allow. Peter as a side issue is the half size Super Sixty ( with gear) up for sale. I've got a bit of a nostalgia bug now as I flew free flight in the Nationals this year and even got placed. I think those of us that are of 'our era' are aeromodellers not model plane flyers. Regards