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    C.A.A Reg number ,inside or outside ????

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    Posted by gangster on 28/12/2019 17:54:44:

    So these police officers who are going to check every toy aeroplane in the country. Are they the same ones who have to deal with the 1000000 uninsured cars in the country? And the business of the sticker on the plane that isn’t just so Will that be the same police who have to deal with the thousands of illegally spaced number plates on cars. Are they the same police who were ordered to ignore illegal CB use even when we had so many more police officers than. We have today. As for carrying documents, yes a good idea but how many of us carry our driving documents or even did before tax insurance and mot info was available on computer systems. Let’s not get carried away and overthink this business. We ain’t that important.

    Indeed. I ain't worrying about it - hence the reason I have passed on paying the unjust registration fee. I have my competency certificate.I have insurance. I fly responsibly and I have my contact details on every model I fly. Good enough for me. In the highly unlikely event plod ever stopped me, I believe it would be good enough for him too - they have far more important things to worry about than an old fart playing with his toy plane in some remote location not bothering anyone!

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    Posted by Steve J on 10/12/2019 14:16:04:

    Install Google Earth on your computer. Look out of your window and pick a few things around 5ft that you think are 100m and 200m away. Check the distances with Google Earth. After a couple of iterations you will have a feel for what 5ft looks like.

    Or you could just place the model on the ground, take 120 strides away from it and see how big it looks.....

    (120 strides ~ 120m ~ 400ft)

    Edited By Jason-I on 10/12/2019 15:08:14

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    Posted by Nigel Heather on 08/12/2019 15:55:05:

    Been looking through the BMFA questions this afternoon, and as many have said most are pretty straight-forward and I will have no trouble achieving the 16/20 passmark. But I want to get 20/20.

    There are two questions that I could answer but am not 100% confident, because I don’t think they are specifically covered in the ANO, exemptions and drone code.

    The questions are

    Q9 - You’re out flying your model aircraft or drone when it starts to snow. What do you need to consider? (select all that apply)

    • That you’re not getting too cold to be able to use your controller
    • That your aircraft will work in cold temperatures
    • That you can still see your aircraft through the snow.

    My first thoughts were (1) and (2) and probably (3). But then I started to think whether there was a trick to this. The question says that you are already flying. Now when it starts snowing it doesn’t just get cold all of a sudden, it would have been cold before you started to fly. So you should have considered 1) and 2) then not waited until it started to snow. So I wonder whether the correct answer is just 3). What do you think?

     

    Q15 - Which of the following should you think about when flying your model aircraft and drone? (Select all that apply)

    • If you’re not in full sight, people may not realise what you’re doing and call the police.
    • People may be worried about having their privacy invaded
    • You could cause a serious incident if you don’t make sure you always fly safely and legally

    At first I thought it was all three. Then after some thought I wonder whether the only correct answer is 3) as the very first thing the drone code and the ANO say is that it is your responsibility to fly safely and within the law. Now whilst 1) and 2) are genuine concerns, they are third party perceptions and the legislation does cover peoples opinions. What do you think?

    Cheers,

    Nigel

     

     

    Q9: 1,2 & 3. No trick. Select ALL that apply.

    Q15: Ditto, all 3. Don't overthink this stuff.

     

     

    Edited By Jason-I on 08/12/2019 16:35:11

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    Posted by ken anderson. on 04/12/2019 09:05:40:

    i would say 100% Yes-have a word with him. Why let 1 person do what they want and put the site at risk for the other members who fly there.unfortunatley the times we live in are governed by rules which we have to adhere to.there will be many who will say do nowt...but many more who will say act.

    ken anderson...ne...1..do nowt dept.

    If there are no other members there, he is a competent flyer and he is not putting anybody at risk, then why not just leave the poor fellow alone to enjoy his hobby? Why do people always feel the need to say something when no harm is being done?

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    Posted by Steve J on 26/11/2019 22:19:11:

    Ben, At the moment, you are OK so long as your Inductrix doesn't have a camera.

    PS Unless you are in an FRZ.

    Edited By Steve J on 26/11/2019 22:22:56

    Yeah, I cannot fly my 24g inductrix even 1cm off the ground in my back garden because I am just within a FRZ.

    I can however kick a 500g football as high as I like into the very same airspace, Go figure....

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    Posted by Cuban8 on 22/11/2019 10:47:33:

    If a law doesn't do any good or is expected by its target audience to not be any good - whichever way it's dressed up and sold, it's not a good law. If accepting reality really means accepting as completely right, every time, anything that anyone - governments, employers, club committees or anyone else for that matter as being beyond critique, then we're really in big trouble. Those that are happy with this arrangement, please yourselves.............. I fear that our hobby's future is far from secure and that all of us need to be monitoring future developments with caution.

    Here, here.

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    Posted by SIMON CRAGG on 18/11/2019 19:25:32:

    Another of our members completed the "test" today and got there "FLY" number.

    He was also invited to pay £9.00, which he did, and is now the proud owner of an operators number.

    Feedback? "Piece of cake". Cant see what all the fuss is about!.

    I just don't understand why on earth BMFA members are chomping at the bit to pay this lousy air tax 2 months earlier than they have to.....

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    Posted by leccyflyer on 18/11/2019 06:40:13:

    Another example of over-thinking. If you've used a screwdriver to fit your hatch then clearly that isn't a special tool. If it's a TORX or star driver, or similar then it probably is a special tool.

    Screwdrivers have been classed as 'special tools" by the CAA and are not permitted. Hatches should be removable without any tools.

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    Posted by Nigel Heather on 09/11/2019 12:59:37:
    Posted by Jason-I on 09/11/2019 11:09:22:
    Posted by Nigel Heather on 09/11/2019 10:13:22:

    .....To own a ‘drone’ you must have an Operator ID. So it should be a mandatory requirement to present it when purchasing a drone - just like you have to do when purchasing a car.....

    Nigel

    I have seen this a few times now. You do not need a license to buy a car! You only need a license if you intend to drive said car home.

    You should not need an operator license to buy a drone. That is ridiculous. You may be buying the drone as a present for somebody else. You may be buying the drone to use exclusively indoors. You may be buying the drone as a static display model. You may be buying the drone for spare parts. Lots of reasons why you could be buying the drone without needing a operator ID.

    EDIT: The law does not say that you need an operator ID to own a drone. It says the following:

    'The new regulations apply to drones and model aircraft from 250g to 20kg that are used outdoors'

     

    You clearly have never bought a new car or a used car from a reputable dealer.

    The reality is that they won't let you test drive or drive it off the courtyard without seeing that it is registered and insured.

    Try buying a new car without a licence and you won't be able to take it away. Sure you could buy it on behalf of someone else but ultimately they will want to see the details of whoever drives it away.

    Nigel

    Casting aspersions on where I buy cars from is just nonsense. You DO NOT need a license to buy a car. I quite clearly stated that you do need a license to drive that car (on public land). However, you can perfectly legally drive it without a license on private land. You can buy a brand new car without a license and have somebody else drive it away, or have it delivered, or have it taken away on a trailer. There is no law requiring a license to buy a car.

    Comparing this to buying a drone is also nonsense. You do not need to fly the drone home and there are lots of reasons you could be buying a drone that do not require a license.

     

    Edited By Jason-I on 09/11/2019 13:21:59

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    Posted by Nigel Heather on 09/11/2019 10:13:22:

     

    .....To own a ‘drone’ you must have an Operator ID. So it should be a mandatory requirement to present it when purchasing a drone - just like you have to do when purchasing a car.....

    Nigel

    I have seen this a few times now. You do not need a license to buy a car! You only need a license if you intend to drive said car home.

    You should not need an operator license to buy a drone. That is ridiculous. You may be buying the drone as a present for somebody else. You may be buying the drone to use exclusively indoors. You may be buying the drone as a static display model. You may be buying the drone for spare parts. Lots of reasons why you could be buying the drone without needing a operator ID.

     

    EDIT: The law does not say that you need an operator ID to own a drone. It says the following:

    'The new regulations apply to drones and model aircraft from 250g to 20kg that are used outdoors'

    Key words being used AND outdoors

     

    Edited By Jason-I on 09/11/2019 11:29:30

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    Posted by john stones 1 on 08/11/2019 21:30:46:
    Posted by Jason-I on 08/11/2019 21:24:41:

    The registration number is so they can track us down if we carry out criminal activities with our model aircraft. Why would anybody want to put that number anywhere on constant view such that real criminals can copy the number and then use it on their own gatwick attack drones?

    Anyway, I've already cut out the middle man. Instead of using a dumb number that the police have to look up on a database to find out who it belong to, I've just written my name and phone number on the inside of all my models.. Who would have thought such a simple solution exists.

    If someone knows you and your address/phone number, they could use your details when committing a crime. kulou

    Hence the reason it's on the INSIDE!

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    Just had a brainwave. Why not scrap the whole operator registration system, and just make a law that states:

    "all UAV's should have the owners name and contact details on them"

    No need for an overpriced CAA database of names and contact details then. No need for a dedicated CAA call handling team so the police can relate an operator number to an actual person. No need for a drones reunited hotline. All the information the police could possibly need would be right there printed on the model!

    wink

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    The registration number is so they can track us down if we carry out criminal activities with our model aircraft. Why would anybody want to put that number anywhere on constant view such that real criminals can copy the number and then use it on their own gatwick attack drones?

    Anyway, I've already cut out the middle man. Instead of using a dumb number that the police have to look up on a database to find out who it belong to, I've just written my name and phone number on the inside of all my models.. Who would have thought such a simple solution exists.

    CAA BMFA

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    I see no concessions for us country members. I'm still supposed to register as an operator and pay the fee, and I'm still supposed to pass the test. The only real difference is that that we are now saving a couple of quid. BMFA members or not, we are all still part of 'the problem'.

    ie using what they hope will be valuable airspace.

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