Thanks Colin I'm getting there I can put on quit a nice display now though I'm not confident enough to fly inverted unless I have some altitude which I don't mind I prefer scale displays and a real spit wouldn't have been inverted for long anyway although this model is more than capable u can even do inverted loops.your spitfire looks nice and immaculate mines got a quick coat of mk1 brown when I got her as I knew I'd be having some crashes once I have mastered my wheel landings she will be getting painted up in the proper colour's she's got some dings and scratches but as soon as she's off the ground you can't see them if you don't mind I'll keep you informed of my progress cheers.