Thanks all,
JD8 that's it, plodding around the sky or fast in straight line it was fine , it was only when i started speeding things up in the turns or loops it sort fo fell out the sky and did funny things. I think the consensus is right there is too much elevator / I'm putting too much elevator in.
Steve J , thanks the flaps with aileron did give a good roll rate and snap flap seemed to work but never really got to try it as was focussing on trying to trim the basics . Will try the C & G but the dive test and inverted seemed good.
On the plus side landing with crow was awesome.
Thank you all.