Hi Gary, Many thanks but I am sure it was a Veron kit, it could have been the Vortex. Further to your Swan I used to build my own designed 3ft span hand launched glider. we would throw it off a cliff over a valley with an auto rudder activated by a length of button thread,I must admit it was in Cyprus so the thermals where quite prolivic, one was returned my a Royal Navy minesweeper it had been found off the Turkish coast so I always put my name & address on my models. Many thanks for your letter. Dave.