Andy Bennett Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Hey guys, I'm new to modelling, and I'm trying to put some electrinics on a paper plane (its possible to fly as a PSS glider, the design allows this.)And I'm not sure what exactly to put on. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 By "paper plane" what exactly do you mean Andy? There is some pretty small r/c gear available but I doubt the sort of paper plane I have in mind would be capable of carrying it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Have a look at www.paperaircrafts.com and the models on that site.. The flying characteristics OF the models (mine in particular: an F-22)And strength in them should be able to carry radio equipment shouldn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Wow they look interesting, you would need very small RC gear.Have a look at this website they sell some very small servos etc.http://www.micronradiocontrol.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Cool, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Some nice looking planes there Andy......how would you intend to power them? I have a 15" span Sabre F86 made of foam.....this has 2gram servos fitted (2 off them) a small reciver &is powered by a small electric motor spinning a 35mm diameter fan...all powered with an 8volt battery....I'm guessing this is the sort of area you will need to be in for any chance of flight. Problems I see apart from the small size would be lack of rigidity in the airframe to take a power unit & servos.....being small will make it difficult to fly as well..... But don't let us put you off...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingCrust Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Hi Andy, have a look here 3ch receiver and 2 servo's on one board (the last on on this page). Use with a 70mAh lipo and I reckon it'll be ok in a paper aeroplane made from a piece of A3. They're TINY! and weigh practically nothing. Parkzone use them in the vapor and ember2. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Thanks rentman Steve, I'm planning on flying the plane as a glider, but I'm making an A3 scale model at the moment, and like you said, the only problem WILL be strength, so I'm making changes to the wing area thanks again, I didn't think of that before :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The unit Rentman has linked too would be most excellent as it has built in "stability control" which would help.... But fly it as a glider...? How long do you think it will stay up? 20 seconds? 25 perhaps.....? bearly time to control it at all...... For extra strength you could consider a carbon rod.....available at 1mm diameter (do I think I might have seen 0.5mm somewhere!!) pretty light & quite strong..... Alternatively these might tickle your fancy as a very small & light R/C plane.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 If that's true, then what kind of power (besides the unit you mentioned) can I use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Are there any smaller power systems I can use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Short answer Andy is I don't know........ But I'm intruiged.....as I understand it you wanted to build a paper aeroplane as a chuck & glide model but control it with radio.....given that paper aeroplanes are not known for long flight times what were you actually expecting to happen? There are quite a few very small RC models for indoor flight but these are usually made of lightweight foam..... this might be interesting for you but these are all propdriven.....as I recall the site you linked to showed the models as jets....which wouldn't look right with a prop.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 I was originally planning to lauuch it from high altitude off another plane :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Outside???? H'mmm that would need a very still day.... Go for it.....sounds a great project.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 That's why I started this thread, to ask other people what equipment I would need for it :/ I'd have to use a AS system, definately, but what else, you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 A video on the paper plane website shows tye F22 (I think) slope soaring very well but it looks like they added a long stick on the nose to make it balance. I guess an RC version might also work well in the lift from a slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 No offence wolston, but that's why I menioned PSS earlier. Power Slope Soaring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 OK...its becoming a little clearer....so you want to replicate the flights shown in the video but with radio control.....yes? Well you need a plane then...the F22 looked good....the unit Ian linked to earlier is probably about as small & light as you can go...this has a receiver & two servos...if you went for the F22 & modified the tailplane so it could twist this would give you roll & pitch control. Then you would need a transmitter....a Spektrum one probably....Ideally with V tail mixing built in....ooh & an on board battery for the radio......maybe a single cell LiPo?? The problem I see is one of weight...yes the radio is tiny & weighs nothing but its probably several times heavier than a paper airframe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 No offence taken, I thought you had gone away from that idea, a few posts above you mention launching off another plane. In the lift of a slope you would not need to do that.I think the answer is that you need to research the ideas given here and come up with your own plan, also look on hobbyking they have a couple of very small Spektrum compatible receivers, I think one of them weighs 2g and is 4 channel but you have to solder servos/actuator wires directly to it.I think one of the Parkzone 3in1 boards from an ember/vapor is ideal added to a vapor motor with small prop so you don't need the gearbox unit, this would save some weight.Doing this is not exactly low cost because you pay a premium for the smaller sized components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hmm. The wingspan of the F-22 is about 190mm wingspan in A4 scale... Is that small enough or too small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 It is very small, how about an A3 version made from stiffer poster paper? Even if you went with a receiver like this you might get it down to 2.5g by removing the heatshrink or weighing in at about 1g this might be an option but you also need a specific transmitter module to go with it and a module based transmitter to install it in They also do a super micro brushless ESC at 0.3g from the UK warehouse. The whole range is here If you have a Spektrum transmitter the control board from the new Parkzone Mini Vapor might be an option but it costs £45.59, the weight is not listed but I bet it is not much as the whole Mini Vapor is only 8.6g, it has a wingspan on 220mm. This motor would then be an option - link In fact you could probably use many of the Mini vapor parts to build the plane. Details of the Mini Vapor here Let us know if you do decide to build the plane, it would be interesting to know how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 It will definately be a 3-channel model, maikng it a 4-channel would be pushing the weight limit.. But yes, I will do my best to build it, although I'm trying to cut as many costs as possible.. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 I just discovered a 2.5 channel unit here.. From an RC lorry of all things!There's a 3-cell battery attached to the reciever and charger, not sure which type, and two motors, each of different sizes, wired to the receiver. Weight? Way too much I think.... 30g it totals up to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 You could also perhaps use the electonics from the eRC Nano Stik, you can get the whole ready to fly plane for about £35 including the transmitter and batteries. The flying weight is just under 9g and you would get to 'play' with the plane before taking it to bits for parts This guy has build an F22. Edited By WolstonFlyer on 21/02/2013 18:59:57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Bennett Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Huh? All I can see is "this guy has to build an F22" and a massive block of space.. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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