Owen, thanks for your comments re the Robins. I really like the look of the little heli and from the videos i've seen it seems to be the most stable of the Esky group. Perhaps because the fuselage is a nice rounded shape, hence causing less disturbance to the air around it from the rotors. I've discovered that I can get a Lama V3 plus a Robins body for roughly the same as the Robins alone so I think this is what i'm going to do. Lots of practice with the lama, tweaking and trimming, and then when i'm confident about my flying change the body to the Robins. I'm assuming it will fit directly on the Lama chassis with little difficulty? Can you tell me Owen, are the upgrade parts ie, blades, rotor heads, motors, etc, worth the outlay in terms of increased flight performance and control? Cheers, Steve.