[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Barry

I have had a look at your photos of your toot

 

Is your cowl a fibreglass one piece cowl

 

If so were did you get it from

 

The one I got from my hobbys is two piece right and left side much prefer the look of yours

 

Cheers Bert

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Jim

The cowl I have purchasesd from my hobbys is most masive not expecting any problems.

 

I have got a choice of engines,o/s 120 surpass,saito 125 GK,o/s 120 surpass pumped and a satio 130 twin, to many to choce from, lucky old me.

 

My mates toot origioanly had the engine (a 1983 o/s fs 90 fs)  fitted inverted but was later change to horizontal because the engine occasionalty backfired.

 

I was quite supprised at performance verry good but He did say that more power would be way to go,

 

I will be going to fitt a fourstroke more for the loverly sound they make rather than performance,

 

 

How have you got yours set up. inverted or horizontal

Bert

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

Hi I took photos at Salibury Hall a few years ago

 

They dont have springs inside they have ruber blocks

 

If you can get to dehavlilands they do a nice book all about the mosquito

Bert

 

I have put more pics in my photo album

Edited By bert baker on 21/08/2010 19:21:03

Edited By bert baker on 21/08/2010 19:35:50

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

Hi craig

I have to many models and I don't think I will ever get round to finishing her off

Must admit it wouldn't be that hard as wings are foam and fuz is glass fibre.

 

I have never flown a twin plane before and it might be a good idea to have flown somthing a bit more disposable

 

As of yet I haven't had time to get it out a photo all the bitts but at the end of the day it will look like any other scale mossi

 

bert

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

Hi Craig

I was unable to find pictures.

 

Re

I have made my first minor mistake, I copy some parts of the plan onto traceing paper and then photocopy, this way I have paper to work on and dont ruin the plan.

 

Have you ever tryed using a hot household iron to transfer photo coppies

 

I sometimes photo copy parts of plans and lay copy face down on to wood to be used making sure grain is in right direction then put a hot iron over it and push down hard if all's well you should end up with a reverse print of part.

 

I was in a hurry the other day and couldn't get to a photo copy machine in my frustration I had a go directly from the plan it did work (NOTE you only get about two goes at it so test with none imoprtant lines first

 

ps I have put my mossi up for sale in the adds section

 

good luck with the build

bert

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Alan if you are going to natts maybe we could meet up

Bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

So far I have managed to cut all wing ribs and a couple of ply formmers

 

The belt sander and fret saw made easy work of doing formers

Bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Bob

I forgot to mention the precedent aeronca I started in 1995 it only needs fuz covering to finish and fitting out with radio and engine ect, it's funny how some planes take a back seat in workshops.

Bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Hi Bob

I was going to use the Belair kit but when I went to order the kit I was told that he had cut a kit for a customer and they reported back that the parts didn't fit and gave up on the build.

 

Having spoken to Belair about this it was the 65" version by Phil Kent,

They also cut parts for the 57" Philip Kent Toot,

 

They recomended that I got a D.Tapsfeild plan and sent it to them for scanning and cutting.

 

A parantly Belair don't supply plans, so what ever desighner you use you will need to get your own plans.

 

I have D.Tapsfeild plans.I am cutting the parts as an infill job at moment whilst I finish off rebuilding my thirty year old Tiger moth that I lost radio contact with and re-kitted itself, it was realy beyond repair but I just couln't put it in the bin,Upside is that it has given me the  reason to make alterations that I have put of for more years than I care to remember.

 

I would have prefered to have parts cut as it's the transfer of drawing to wood that put me off

.

Most of the shaping is with 1/8"~1/4" balsa,so not dificult to do with sander,and by ironing on the print to wood you get all the info on the wood the shrinkage is realy not worth bothering about.

 

Laser cut parts are only as good as the guy who scans in the plan, part of doing this is to put plan on computer and use it as a background and over draw with a cad program,

 

The probelm is a drawn pencil line is quite a lot wider than a cad line so your in the hands of the programer,

 

Dont get me wrong they are very good at their job but you might find some parts dont't quite fit

 

Anyway good luck on your build of a Toot

 

Bert

are you going to nationals

 

ps Belair are on holidays at moment

 

 

Edited By bert baker on 09/08/2010 09:35:45

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

I have now decided to cut all my own parts

 

I started to trace parts but decided to photo copy and hot iron the copy direct onto the wood

 

As I havent been able to get to a photo copy machine yet,

 

I put the plan face down onto wood and had a go with iron,just to see what would happen,

 

It worked very well although it did shrink a little with the heat,but I can correct this during cutting. 

 

I am using various hand tools and machines to cut out parts

 

Electric fret saw

electric belt sander with side disc

razor saws

and pernagrit various pernagrit tools

and asortment of sand paper

 

Bert

 

 

 

 

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

A box containing spats and cowl arrived today along with seperate envolope with the a plan

 

The ally templates I have been lent are a perfect match

 

Cowl and spats Vac formed from good sturdy palstic

 

When I get time I will put on some photos

 

Bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Well I will find out in 7~10 day

And post some photos

Belair has offered to scan plan and cut parts no exact price but I would gues it would be around the£100.00 bracket.

He said he would only charge for lasser cutting time and wood.

 

My fellow club member was given some verry nice 2mm thick ally wing rib templates with his secondhand Toot .

 

Dont know what plan they were cut from, but I have had a go with them and made 6 ribs just for fun,

 

Thay work verry well so Its fingers crossed that they will suit the DT plan

bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Hi Bob

Bad news today

 

Spoke to my hobbys today they got supplier to open a box and see what was inside

 

If you order the £99.00 toot parts you will get a cwol spats and a cone

 

No plan or wood

 

Its a rip off

 

 The guy I spoke to agreed it was strange

 

So I have orded plan cowl spats seperatley and saved approx £50.00

 

How it can be justified is any one gues

 

I am sure there must be more to it than meets the eye

 

Bert

 

Edited By bert baker on 03/08/2010 15:21:00

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Hi to all

 

After a good phone call today it looks likley that for £99.00 I would get plans. cowl. spats and a cone.and assortment of wood parts.

 

Waighting for suppler to open up a box and confirm

 

If this is the case I will order the lot as this would make the wood parts more attractive.

 

Bert

 

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Alan

 

Please could you send a copy of the construction notes for the little toot

 

Bert 

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

Hi Bob

 

Ihave spoken to Phil Kent and he has said that the cowl supplied from my hobbyy is desighned to go wiyh dennis tapsfied toot but a guy he knows has fitted one to his 57" varriant.

 

I am still waighting to get any sence from my hobbys, most frustrating

 

Bert

[1/4 scale Little Toot]

A club member arived at our feild with a Biplane that realy caught my eye

 

He informed me that it was called a Little Toot built years ago from a plan

 

I like ti so much I just had to find out more about it, I came across a plan in a plans book Ihad had for a short time.

 

So I did a bit more recearch and found that there was a few plans in existance drawn by different people.

 

One well known lasser cutting company also listed laser cut parts for one of the avalible plans.Then I found another that could supply plans spats and a cowl an some parts pre cut.

 

It is now time to decide where to place my order

 

Bert

[Tony Major DH Mosquito]

I have a small selection of full size photos and some of a 96" mossi

 

I got the mossi bug and ended up getting a mega models 96" semi kit, glass fuz foam wings

 

Put in shed and thats as far as project went,One day I will have to decide to build her or sell her on

 

Bert

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Guys

Many thanks for you help

 

I am expecting a phone call early next week from my hobby store

 

Hopefully I will get to find out what it is that I would get for my money

 

Many thanks

Bert

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Bob

yes I would agree

 

I had wondered as there are different plans avalible for same scale toot could it be possible that the guy I have mentioned in previous post had parts cut for say a phil kent toot but he may have had plan by Dennis T

 

As I was told that company who did cutting work do not suply plans so making it is possible to order parts for same size and scale plane but actualy tying to line them up against a diferent plan who knows

 

It is possible that if cutting company had an old plan scanned into cad and stored for many years things could go wrong if plan has been up revised and modified.

 

Also having dabbled a verry little in cnc milling some times strange things happen with programs when passing drawings through the different programs to build up the G code file that all cnc machines need to opperate from

 

One interesting point is that phil kent has told me that the cowl supplied from hobby stores is an exact fit to his vesion of toot

 

If I was going to have parts lasser cut I would send plans that I would use to build from and insist that my own plan was scanned in and used

 

 this way parts cut would match my plan if they didnt I would lay blame at lasser cutting company 

 

I did ask hobby store what would happen if the pre cut parts they can supply didnt fit didnt get a good responce

 

Bert

 

 

 

 

 

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi Jim

thanks for swift repliy

 

spoke to hobby store earlyer today they could not give me the scale or size of plane the only referance is to the rc1266 on their website

 

I now know that this is the wrong one that I would like to build

 

So it will be the rm143 for me

 

Its a shame that hobby store could not give awnsers to my questions about what parts they can supply only a rough gues

 

I dont realy want to go the full hog of rib and former cuting as I would like to make swift progress when I get started

 

Paul

 

 

 

 

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi to all

 

I have a fellow club member who has bought a little toot secondhand

It flys so well I am thinking of building one

 

Confused about plan numbers

 

spoke to a laser cutting company who had recently cut from philip kents 57 " plan but custtomer complained that bitts were wrong size and gave up building it

 

Spoke to P Kent and did agree that if origional plan he built from was right then others built from his origional plans should also be ok

 

So whos plan should I purchase has any one purchase the RM143 with the pre cut parts

 

Look forward to any repliy

Bert 

 

 

[Building the Little Toot]

Hi to all

 

I have a fellow club member who has bought a little toot secondhand

It flys so well I am thinking of building one

 

Confused about plan numbers

 

spoke to a laser cutting company who had recently cut from philip kents 57 " plan but custtomer complained that bitts were wrong size and gave up building it

 

Spoke to P Kent and did agree that if origional plan he built from was right then others built from his origional plans should also be ok

 

So whos plan should I purchase has any one purchase the RM143 with the pre cut parts

 

Look forward to any repliy

Bert