paul devereux

This, Jon, is the sort of constructive post that I could have done with from the start. @Ron Gray posting two quotes of mine, implying I was being, against my previous remark, suddenly inquisitive for wanting a link to or details of "the biggest payout the BMFA ever made" over "a light weight model" is the kind of asinine nonsense that helps no one. If it really was the biggest pay out ever made, why shouldn't I have a link to it? It would be a learning experience. (As it turned out it wasn't, as the picture was of a toy glider of the sort you can buy from a corner shop for about a £1. The alleged incident probably never happened anyway. If it did, and anyone can point me to it, I would be very grateful). To my mind, the point of these types of forum is to be helpful, not mock. And I will say most people, including yourself, have been very helpful. Just because I have been flying for one year not fifty does not mean I am stupid.

Got it! I thought it was for the plane!

Won't the bag adversely affect the planes flying characteristics?

Done. Perhaps I should be done with this forum too, Martin, I just can't get along with people.

I'm just wondering if you realise how illogical your argument is? In stressing the need to fly RC planes safely,the most extreme example of an accident involving model flying you can find involves a chuck glider, for all we know thrown by a child! You might just as well say: be careful when driving to a flying field as there are over a thousand fatal RTAs a year (you would be right of course). Look, I started in good spirits this morning, asked what I thought was an innocent question hoping to get some words of wisdom from more experienced flyers, and it has degenerated again into unpleasantness. Maybe it is time for me to admit I am not a good fit on this forum.

I'm struggling to think how it is relevant to this thread. Let's assume it was rc- was the pilot competent?

Well, was it radio-controlled or free-flight?

Was it ic or electric?

If you have the link, I can't see it. Are you familiar with the case?

Interesting.Do you have a link or any details on that so I can look it up?

It weights 105gms, to be precise. I don't want to get into another debate, because last time some one did actually suggest I start my own forum for light-weight models and leave this one. (That actually isn't a bad idea- not start one, but join one). My ambition is never to haul a 5kg plane around the sky, it is for the lightweight WW2 or pioneer aircraft models ( the BE2 and Airco DH2 are my future ideal projects). I chose a Wot 4 foam-e because I have been led to believe they are easy to learn to fly on, and I have enjoyed learning on it.

@Jon - Laser Engines I asked for advice, as I know people here have experience I haven't. If that is an "attitude", well, I'll stop asking. There are other forums.

Yes, I've done the CAA registration and am insured. I'm just not a "details" person.

No, I don't read stuff like that, which is why my Champ had the wrong CG and I didn't know how to programme a Tx. The problem is, I don't know I need info until I need it, if you see what I mean. I do have one though, I might look through it now.

Last of my newbie questions I hope. When I went out this morning the forecast was 0% rain, when I took off there was a slight drizzle, half way through my one and only flight it was definitely raining. I didn't want to end the flight prematurely, but should I have? (Ironically, when I was driving home, the rain stopped and the sun came out).

Why would that be a thing with EP but not with IC? Edit: just saw Nigel posted the same question. The only setup difference I can imagine is that the EP prop is different, but I still can't see how the airflow would have a different effect on the plane.

It's not actually that good, tbh, unlike a club there is no one to give advice or support, and it can get a tad boring. Because I ride (rarely now as I'm old) I own a field amongst grazing land, I'd don't actually shout "landing" as that would be too sophisticated for the local residents, Dinner!, Back up! and Off my foot! is about their limit, lol! Though I am very mindful of other riders on foot or mounted as horses are easily spooked, and don't take off if anyone is around. One thing I have learned is, I wouldn't recommend anyone learn to fly at any place other than a club, even though the BMFA insurance allows us to do so, and that's the advice I always give if anyone shows an interest. Apart from the obvious that you are going to lose control and crash on your first flight, to learn to fly you have to keep plugging away doing the same thing over and over again. I used to try to do at least one flight every day, even if I didn't want to really (I remember reading about "prop up the low wing"- that only works at the early stages, you have to get past that so the orientation is instinctive). I only did it because I have the space, and have to visit daily to do chores.

Well. I managed this morning to fly straight and level inverted first one way and then the next! I didn’t push my luck, after that I just flew about a bit till the timer sounded. It was just a confidence thing, I think- next I’ll try doing a circle. (Thanks to all for all the comments and help, even the ones that said stuff like I should try flying in Australia, or standing on my head, lol!) I haven’t done too bad learning solo I think- this time last year I tried flying my Wot 4 foam–E for the first time- lost control in seconds and had to repair a split wing and replace a shattered fus. Then I got a HZ Champ and practised and practised. I’m lucky to have some pasture land to learn in peace and quiet, and also the Champ is so light it can’t be damaged if the throttle is closed- it floats down like a feather. It is a shame looking back I didn’t know it was tail heavy; learning on it would have been so much easier. Still, it taught me about orientation. So a good day today, I hope anyone else flying today also has a good day!

Is that a gyro/sensor type of thing, like the "virtual fence", I think it is called, on the tiny models? I've never worked out how those things work, they can't be GPS sensitive, or are they?

I did, last week. It's not me keep bringing this up. Perhaps @john stones 1 - Moderator could delete my posts- or ban me if he likes. I find it tiresome.

This morning, fortified by the posts here, I set off with high hopes and my only two Lipos. Partial success with the first flight! Flew inverted about 5 yards, gave a bit too much down, it climbed and I rolled upright. Took off with my remaining battery hoping to build on this success when the Tx battery warning sounded so I landed straight away! I must admit, it is fun. @leccyflyer- Sorry to hear of your mishap.

At last a post that reflects common sense!

I don't think we should disregard safety, not at all, in fact I have already posted to the contrary. I think I am being (probably) misconstrued so I will ignore this thread from now on. Except to say- all extreme sports have risks- horse riding, gliding, for example, both of which I have taken part in. But aeromodelling is the only sport whose adherents seem determined to finish it off themselves by stressing the risks. Dogs kill more people in parks (about 5 -10 every year in the UK alone) yet we don't get dog walkers saying" Oh, dogs are so dangerous, we should only walk them on leads or in special parks where there are no other people." In fact there would be massive protests, and that is about a pastime that kills someone every month or so in the UK alone, whereas fatalities world-wide from model planes are extremely rare. Imagine the backlash, too, from equestrians if the government tried to ban horses from public roads! There would be massive protests! I think part of it is RC flyers like to think they are a special intrepid breed of dare devils, and would like to see toy RC planes (which is what the sub-250gm planes are) banned completely from sale to the public and only sold to "proper" RC pilots.

Maybe okay if it was a park flyer: HBZ Champ RTF (elitemodelsonline.co.uk) That's why they are park flyers. Edit: Do you think there is a difference between a 100gm park flyer and a 10kg plus turbine model, or do you class them both as RC models?

They are large, old, and folded, so may not be what you want. The RQ is 3 sheets, the plans are complete. The JR is a BB version. If you still want them, I guess I'd wrap them in a stout black sack to post, I guess postage would be somewhere between £5 and £10, I would only charge what it cost of course, I'd ask for postage after they are posted.