Jon Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Thanks Timbo.... he realy needs your help not mine... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi Timbo Yes it is an outrunner,its been suggested that I remove the prop and run it without to see if it could be the resistance of the prop that is coursing the problem.Then raise the size of the prop,what do you think.Also the problem has slowly become worse after several flights and crashes BRC checked the ESC and motor but that motor had burnt out,so the problem is still there with a new motor.Ive had variuos other electric with no problens like.The ESC isa40 amp and the max watts is about 430w and the amps well below 40!Thebattery is4s rhino3700 20c series.The motor,ESC and battery were supplied as set for the pioneer as recommended by BRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Timbo,Forgot, I have set start mode at hard with a program card,which is the highest setting i have with the card supplied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Well it does sound as though you have duff motor - just check to see that the bearings are OK, and that it hasent shed a magnet or two! Could you try the ESC on another motor? Obviuosly if its OK, then it is the motor - send it back again and try another make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Last Night I carried out the following,No prop ,Perfect,10x5 prop OK but if you go up and down with throttle quickly slight sqeal but motor contnues.An11x5.5 prop very similar an11x7 prop totally unacceptable.The BRC test goes up to 12x8.At full throttle the watt meter shows550 watts at 37 amps, the battery voltage was15.9v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 I spoke to scott at BRC, he's convinced its a timing issue,more testing tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Reeves Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Well guys,Having only just found this thread and read with interest your thoughts and ideas, i would like to add my pennies worth. I too have a Seagull "E" Pioneer in the hanger waiting its turn on the bench, it will be powered by an Emax 2826 06 and have an Emax 60A ESC, I already have the Vmar X-treme stick powered by this combination on a 4s 3200 lipo turning an APC "E" 13x6.5 prop. This model takes off very quickly and goes up at 45 degrees and I get between 7 and 10 mins of flying depending on throttle use. So I think this combo with a 12x8 on 4s and 12x6 on 3s will be perfect for the E Pioneer. I will let you know how things turn out, I have in hand a couple of light 4000 3s lipos and if i get balance ok i might put both in in parallel and have 8000 on tap, should give some duration dont you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Welcome to the E-Pioneer club Phil... mine got me my A ticket just some weeks ago.... I am able to do quite a few tricks with it now but it dont like inverted flight!... great at hovering with its nose to the wind...you'll have fun.jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Reeves Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Hi Jon, This is to be a fun model for me and to train others with on days at the club that only permits electric flying, as you might realise i am a little further on than being a tyro pilot. Having said that the E Pioneer is a new inovation of suitable travel companions for holidays, and I want to be able to demonstrate it to new flyers who may not want to go down the nitro route.Heres hoping it flies as well as all of my other models. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Hi jon unfortunately I have left th Pioneer club having written mine off again,For a chang Im building a Boomerang with IC engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 oh dear... but dare I say it... with a Boomerang "You'll be back"!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Well the guy did say it should come back! trouble is you should see the spare Pioneer stuff i now dont need.I was hoping the Boomerang would have a similar set up but I think I/C has to be more substantial because of vibration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Mullins Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 Heres a question to all E-Pioneer owners. Is the covering film heatable?All the lightening holes in my tailplane are very losely covered and I want to know if i can iron them to get them taught. Can I do it, or will it all melt away!thanks for input, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 I did use a heat gun on mine successfully it was my flying that did it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Mullins Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Heres another question to all E-pioneerers! How have you fixed your nosewheel? The only way I can see doing this is by Epoxying it to the nose wheel mount wall. Any other ideas?Thakns Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Hi BenIf you don't want to use the servo to drive it (I didn't) I made some bent bits of wire from an old coat hanger and fixed the ends under the 4 screws and wound it up inside the coiled spring. It worked but was a little untidy.. Sorry don't have a pic of it.You could fix a dowel rod inside the coil and then fix both sides with bent bits of coat hanger to the 4 screws...It will not matter if there is a little play left in it, could even help a bit on an untidy landingJon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yes Jon I built a Seagull Pioneer several times and destroyed it regularly possible glitch on my transmitter which I have now changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Mullins Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 this is a slight random question. Ive got a EMAX 2822 motor, and ive got a 3mm prop adapter. Problem is the prop adapter only fits halfway down the prop shaft, does this matter? If it does what can i do to fix it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Reeves Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Hi Ben, This won't matter unless you have a problem with the alignment of spinner / prop to the nose of the model (too long). I have many Emax motors and run them like this, you can cut the shaft down if needed, but take care with how you grip whilst cutting. Which model is the motor destined for? as this motor is very powerfull when used with an APC"E" 7x5 and 3s. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Mullins Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 its going on an own design SF260. About 29" wingspan. Ive got a 10x4 prop, but looking at it it looks to big so might change it. The battery pack is a 7cell NiCd, so not too much power . Its just an experiment really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Reeves Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Ben,Do you have a Watt meter you can use, this will give you an idea of the current draw on your setup, my Emax 2812 on 3s lipo and 7x5 APC"E" draws a little under 10A for 98W, fitted to my Concept models Shark "E" is very fast and fully aerobatic. If you aim for an all up weight of 12ozs or less it will fly well, however try an APC 8x6.Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Mullins Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Ive just done a quick calculation, In total I have spent £256.28 on my E-Pioneer . But if I deduct my Vouchers that I used and the fact that some of the kit was for Christmas it comes to a total of a much better £94.86. Phew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Since the demise of my Pioneer Ive been learning to fly aBoomerang I/C. with the Pioneer I did take off and land quite well.Im having trouble with both at the moment,and im flying on the buddy,so I still miss the Pioneer in several ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hi jon Still miss my Pioneer so much I keep considerin buying a fuzz Ive got everything else new and still wrapped and Im finding this I/C malarchy hard work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 i have an innovator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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