FrSky Neuron ESC

[Mike Blandford]

Testing a FrSky Neuron ESC. You need to use BlHeli_32 on your PC to configure it. The BlHeli program offers several ways to connect. I originally used an Arduino nano, flashing the nano from the BlHeli program.

I have also used an Arduino Pro Mini, connected to the PC using a FTDI type device. I just "told" BlHeli it was a nano an flashed the Arduino then used it like the nano.

Having looked at what the Arduino was doing I came up with this. You just need a FTDI type device, a diode and a resistor. I just tested it and it works fine.

Mike

[Chris Bott]

That's very interesting Mike.

On the surface that appears very similar but not exactly the same as the old FrSky FUC-1 programmer for the old D8 modules and receivers which when it turned up came with FDD-Lite printed on the back.

You could then turn it into a upgrade tool for smart port devices by adding a FrSky SPC which turned 4 wires into 3 and as far as I can see only included a diode but not your pull up resistor.

[Mike Blandford]

Yes, but the FUC-1 outputs inverted serial while the FTDI is non-inverted. The diode is polarised the "other" way round. I did think could we use a FUC-1 then remembered it was inverted!

This is the same principle.

Mike

[charlie holdford]

Hi Mike

I have just purchased a Neuron ESC. Looks like a nice item.

Obbviously, to change config I will need to use BlHeli software.

However, just connectiing it to a RX. I cannot seem to find any sensors.

I have updated my Taranis and Horus to 2.2.4 but can not discover any sensors.

Testing with the same cables a std lipo sensor works OK

Am I missing something?

Cheers

Charlie

[Chris Bott]

Hi Charlie. Did you have a motor connected and did you run it at all? I seem to remember having a similar issue to you, which all came good as soon as it had some numbers to send.

[Bob Cotsford]

Are you powering up the esc? Most sensors use all three cables but the Neurons now have the +ve connection disconnected on the Sport plug so I would expect they need the power pack connected to drive the sensors. My first experience was with an early version where the Sport and BEC +ve connectors were common. Using my usual setup process of plugging a battery into the receiver reverse biased the BEC and let out the smoke. Ooops.

My second attempt with Neuron #2 shows a full range of sensors on 2.2.3 when powered from the drive pack, I am not trying powering it just from the receiver again! I'm about to update to 2.2.4 so I'll let you know how I get on!

[charlie holdford]

Hi

Yes motor connected and ran it briefly, seems to control the speed OK

So running from a Lipo as per diagram no centre pin on the sport on this item.

The brake is on. I am wondering if the Auto Telemetry is set to off...

I have just sent for a DYS V2USB Linker. Maybe that will shed some light on the thing.

Cheers

[charlie holdford]

All working.

All it required was BLHeli 32 to read from the ESC do nothing except write it back to the ESC

Telemetry sensors then discovered...

So if your new out of the box Neuron does not show the sensors give it a boot up the USB

Cheers

Charlie

[Tim Ballinger]

I had been considering using the neuron 80 on my latest project but discounted it without checking the details as I just sort of assumed it would be quite large. I have just had a closer look and it is actually smaller than my standard 60 A ESC.

how can they cram all that kit into the same space envelope as an ESC only device. Is something being sacrificed ?

Tim

[Bob Cotsford]

I suppose that if you take away the connectors and packaging from the standard current sensors you end up with quite a small chip that is easily accomodated in a two board ESC package.  It may have the same footprint as my current 60-80A ESCs but it is fatter.

Chris, I was a bit surprised to see your comment on the pricing. Take your average ESC with 7A BEC and add in a current sensor and you will probably find it working out more expensive, not to mention bulkier. Add on current sensors are a pain in the rear when you are trying to squeeze everything into a compact installation. It's just a pity they couldn't have incorporated a 1-6S LiPo voltage sensor to make it a true all in one unit. Maybe include an altimeter too like the Unisens sensors though FrSky probably think only gliderists would want one and they would be using the G series receivers anyway? In which case they hadn't taken account of the trend to altiude limit all model types!

Edited By Bob Cotsford on 31/07/2019 11:44:50

[Chris Bott]

Hi Bob

After further consideration you're right. I was probably just comparing with a cheap-ish ESC and not considering the telemetry stuff.

They will be my future preference even over my own telemetry units.

It's still very simple to add an altimeter etc, if required.

[Bob Cotsford]

Chris, I initially thought the same having been used to Hobbyking pricing. I tend to use a LiPo sensor with everything big enough to carry one, I've only tried a Neuron in a H9 UltraStick and that has a miniLiPo sensor daisy chained in there. I don't have a vario to hand, but I have this idea at the back of my mind that they needed to be at the end of the chain. As the Neuron doesn't accomodate a daisy chain link I'm not sure how the vario would be linked. I know you can Y lead Sbus connections but I didn't think it worked with Sport data feeds. I am happy to be corrected though.

Memory tricks -after checking varios I think it was a voltage sensor that had to be on the end of the chain back when there were a mix of D series and Sport sensors available.

Indidentaly, I hooked my Neuron up to Blheli 32 using a KINGKONG BLHeli ESC PC Communications Adapter (USB/Com) costing £1.90 from Hobbyking, though they seem to be out of stock everywhere now.

Edited By Bob Cotsford on 31/07/2019 12:55:15

[Andy48]

I used an Arduino Nano to program it, very easy.

In terms of size, the 80a for about £6 more seems the best bet, all three are the same size.

The BLHeli suite has some novel features. The model finder for instance, though if the battery is still connected, the tx RSSI signal provides a good indication. (Got the tee shirt in a 4ft high field of rape in flower and a yellow model!!!)

I particluarly like the ability to limit the current to prevent the motor/speed controller burning out.

Its a pity there isn't a full lipo sensor as you say, however, I only find that useful for indicating when a battery is nearing end of life, otherwise the current sensor is far better for judging flight times.

[Bob Cotsford]

Andy, with the state of a couple of my 6S packs it's now a case of knowing when the low cell is dropping too low so that I can avoid cooking it further with any full throttle burns! Otherwise as you say it's down to logging consumption with an appropriate alarm at 75% or so of the pack capacity.

When I resort to a simpler model with no telemetry and have to rely on the flight timer I feel quite a sense of loss now

[Andy48]

Yes I know what you mean, the individual cell sensor is great for identifying a low cell in an old pack. Can still use one with the Neuron though. I've adapted a current sensor to work with the XT30 plugs by unsoldering the XT60s and replacing them. This is great for those smaller models, thus I'm never without that telemetry.

[Tim Ballinger]

I know I am still one of the few sticking with FrSky OS but the recent Firmware upgrade has enabled the use of lua scripts and one of the ones issued with the update was a frisky esc (neuron) lua. There is little supporting documentation but simply looking at the interface it appears to give access to setting all of the neuron user parameters. Not yet got a neuron Esc to test it out but I think I will now give it a try on my next project . Certainly seems like a step forward.

Tim

[Mike Blandford]

What update download is this in? I can't locate one on the FrSky site with such a LUA script in it.

Mike

[Tim Ballinger]

Mike,

They are in Horus 10 firmware upgrade 1.303 . There are 4 . GasSuit_fros.luac, gtrans_fros.luac, SBEC_fros.luac and SXR_fros.luac

Only guessing at the Neron connection as it says added neuron support in the release notes but it seems a good bet.

Tim

[Bob Cotsford]

Tim, I'd guess it's the same as the latest Opentx which now allows you to see the Sbec voltage and current plus ESC temperature in addition to the total current and pack voltage, and the SBEC LUA will allow you to set the SBEC output voltage. I haven't seen anything about it replacing BLHeli32 for other settings but if it does then well done FrSky!

[Tim Ballinger]

Bob,

Perhaps I was being over optimistic in thinking it would allow settings to be updated. Not possible for me to tell without obtaining a neuron . The bits of scripts that are readable in a text editor give me no clue.

If it already exists for OpentX as simply displaying parameters then odds are it performs the same function in FrSky OS

Tim

[Bob Cotsford]

It's still nice to be able to log things like the current drawn by the servos, esc temperature etc. especially for new setups to optimise esc cooling and for larger models to be sure you have some headroom on SBEC current.

TBH even with BLHeli32 available I just use my Neuron as it came out of the box, though I may play with the braking one day as it is a bit abrupt.

[Tim Ballinger]

So given my Horus OS can now use the sensor data from the neuron I was reading through the manual of the 40S and have what might be a dumb question.

It has a jumper for effectively turning on/off the BEC. ( Not sure why the change of terminology from the SBEC used in the rest of the manual. ) However am I to assume this is the equivalent of disconnecting the power wire to the rx on a ‘normal’ esc if you want to use a separate Rx power supply? This would seem an odd thing to want to do given all the SBEC monitoring in the unit.

I have noted the ‘do not connect any power to the Rx other than through the ESC message’ . Again presumably with the jumper off this is ok if I have the logic correct above.

Can anyone put me straight if I have gone astray?

Tim

[Bob Cotsford]

Best bet is to speak to Richard at T9Hobbysport.

Looking at the manual,this is a bit confusing:

Note: 1. The jumper cap as a switch makes ESC output power When you connect the JP.
2. The jumper cap has internal resistance which may bring reduction voltage.

1) It sounds like the jumper enables the BEC, allowing you to use a separate rx battery with it disabled/no jumper.

2) This is unclear, it makes it sound as though the jumper can alter the BEC voltage which I somehow doubt. I would have expected it to be a straight enable/disable shorting jumper, can tou put a multimeter across the jumper to check whether it does contain a resistor? Something has been lost in translation on that one!

S on the BEC indicates that it is the more efficient Switching type regulator, as against the earlier linear design that basicly just used a semiconductor resistance to drop the BEC voltage and generated a lot of heat. They're all BECs - Battery Eliminator Circuits.

The non-S versions that I have don't include the jumper so it's all new to me. Maybe check it using a voltmeter with and without the jumper?

[Tim Ballinger]

Bob,

was about to get one when I saw T9 were out of stock so can’t test anything yet.

The original neuron manual refers to BEC and SBEC as well . I can not believe they are linear BECs so am assuming translation issues until told different.

As for the jumper changing the voltage. Seems very unlikely as you say.

Also note the S version only supports 5A on the SBEC while the original was a 7A spec. Consequence of even smaller size perhaps.

Major attraction was also the even smaller size of the S version so I guess some trade off going on here.

Tim

Edited By Tim Ballinger on 28/11/2019 12:05:14

[Bob Cotsford]

Yes, they are a LOT smaller, though T9 only show 40and 60A versions. Still, 5A is a pretty good current level for this size of ESC, many only offer 3 or 4A.

Sorry, I wrongly thought you'd got one in your hands. I wonder if Mike B knows anything about them?