jack lackmaker Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 how do we know when you see no model flying posted up as a byelaw that it has been applied for to the home office which i believe it has to be to be legal.As we are now reconised as a sport how is it we are not provided for and before someone says join a club i and a lot of others do not wish to all we want is to go and enjoy our flying as i and many others have in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack lackmaker Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 as far as i can tell all of these bye laws were passed before we were reconised as a sport by the sports council .councils have an obligation to provide for all sports so why are we not provided for and are these bye laws now not legal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack lackmaker Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 as to the date that we were reconised as a sport you will have to contact the bmfa as they are the ones that secured it for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack lackmaker Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 as an after thought does any one know the date that model flying was recognized as a sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Ireland Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hmm, interesting topic. I live and fly in the North East of Scotland and am aware that there are many differences between English and Scottish law. I'm not aware of any bye-laws here but I'll look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Christy Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I am not a lawyer! But, as I understand it, for a bye-law to be valid, it has to be posted clearly at all the entrances to the sites to which it applies. If there is no notice, the bye-law is ineffective, no matter what the park nark may say! And remember that if he tries to interfere with your freedom of action, he could be liable for it. However, also remember that just because its possible to do something, it is not necessarily *wise* to do it! And please check with a lawyer before you do any of this! -- Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Christy Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I am not a lawyer! But, as I understand it, for a bye-law to be valid, it has to be posted clearly at all the entrances to the sites to which it applies. If there is no notice, the bye-law is ineffective, no matter what the park nark may say! And remember that if he tries to interfere with your freedom of action, he could be liable for it. However, also remember that just because its possible to do something, it is not necessarily *wise* to do it! And please check with a lawyer before you do any of this! -- Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Howard Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 How about hitting them with our "Human Rights". If a convict justly serving a sentence in one of HM Prisons can claim all manner of rights, so can we! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BB Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 My local park does have the bye-law posted. I fly early a.m. summer/ autum with the groundsmans permission. With the proviso that, if no-one complains I will not be asked to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BB Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Will do Phil. Of note - On the same notice it also says that cycles are not permitted. Didn't stop the council installing a cycle path though !! My understanding of byelaws is that they are there to cover eventualities as necessary and are only generally invoked via reasonable and sustained nuisence and/or complaint. BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lubbock Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I remember reading that for any byelaw to be valid it has to be enforced to tha same level as others-that cycle byelaw being ignored could invalidate the model flying one-I think this has already been challenged at a slope soaring site where the byelaw regarding horsey activity was not enforced, but the Council came down on the Fliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack lackmaker Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 please note that the bye law that stops us flying also applies to kites as well and even folded paper model planes what a Nanny state we have become . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jack lackmaker Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 hi all i requested a copy of the bye laws of waltham forest and there was no mention any where of model planes they then sent me a copy of bye laws from other are implying if it is good enough for them then it is good enough for us they seemed to have forgot that bye laws have to be passed by the home office .one thing i found amusing was if you are not a model plane but full size in an emergency please contact the council first before you try to land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack lackmaker Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 sorry should read other areas jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Jordan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hi All, Am I mistaken or do we have an organisation that should be dealing with this matter ?? What are the BMFA doing about ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Christy Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The BMFA have a dedicated Flying Site Advisor. But until someone contacts him - either directly or through the office - nothing is likely to happen! They're not psychic, y'know! -- Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andy watson Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The problem will be that any specific meantion of planes will be irrelevent. There will certainly be some legislation somewhere or other which gives the council the right to stop any activity if it is deemed to be a risk/nusance to other park users/general health and safety. This will filter into the beaurocratic mindset of 99.9% of all council employees who will consider the situation and realise there is no real benefit to them in allowing flying, but potentially big lawsuits/complaints/general mithering if it is allowed to go ahead. This means it will get banned aither officially, or simply by people requiring you to get permission that no one will ever put their signiture to- without ever actually turning you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bandit Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Andy, 99.9% of all council employees do not have a bearurocatic mind set, they do however have a proffesional responsibility within their remit, to provide a public service including amenaties and facilities that the majority of the local community can use and enjoy as council tax payers. After all they are the ones that pay for these things, and have a right to enjoy them. I for one would object, (if as I sometimes do) stroll across the local park. Wilst having to be mindfull of some idiot riding a mini moto or quad bike, or as frequenly happens to a neighbor of mine, waiting for a golf ball to come through his conservatory roof or window every few weeks. On the question of model aircraft, what is the difference between the foregoing and someone who has just purcahased an RTF trainer powered by a 40 two stroke leaning to fly with no BMFA insurance. All can be just as damaging to a person or property. If we were to take a responsible attitude as I’m sure most modellers do, and only fly slow light wieght models (park fliers) in public places, there would be no problems and we would not be seen as anti social. Despite this, there are still the minority element that are so arogant that they think flying a larger trainer or aerobatic model is acceptable in a public place. Which after all has been provided for the enjoyment of the majority without nuisence, rather than the minority, which at this point in time we are, regarless of sporting status. My main point is, as an example, that having given permision for a local group of model fliers to use public land. This permision has been abbused by a minority, who persists in flying turbines in close proximity to a housing estate and shoping center. How therefore is the local authurity able to trust model fliers in general to regulate themselves. It may be that we as a local authority we can slap ASBO’s on those who persit in anti social behavior by flying their larger or faster than reasonable models in public places which could be seen as a waste of public money. Or we could ban model flying in those public area’s completely at no ongoing cost to the rate payers. Regards, as a responsible council type person at work and a hooligan in private, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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