I agree with Kiwi - both have there place. I fly both and can have a great day enjoying the benefits as appropriate. Short of time, cold - electric can be godsend. Indulge in some satisfying engineering, IC is great fun. On the LMS stock issue, disappointing that staff didn't offer to get one in and at least offer some form of service. I often use Kings Lynn and they have been very good so far. Ps I have no connection to Kings Lynn.