Two Six

I have added some new info on my build blog, here: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.0

I have done a little more to my Highside now. My build blog is updated here: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.0

I have updated my build blog now Paul, you can see where I am with my build. I have a few questions there about a few things I am not too sure about. Things like, the sheeting, the wing joining, fixing it to the fuselage, and the wing tips..... Any tips or comments would be very helpful. My build blog is here: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.0

That's great that is! Well done! It flies really well and it looks like it makes the most of moderate lift and has a nice flat glide. I have started building a wing now and so far so good, it all looks OK. Hopefully I won't mess it up. I need to have a talk with you about how to proceed with the balsa wing sheeting, the wing tips, the dowels and the wing fastening bolt before I can proceed much more. I will try to PM you. I might build the canopy part before I do the wing tips as I am not sure how much wood I have to make the wing tips with. I like the idea of solid wing tips and I can't see how the plan wants me to do them. I really hope mine flies like your one does. With a big helping of luck it might just work....

Reading you blog now, I can't see the pictures for some reason. The wing seat bit....I hope I haven't messed up already. I have glued the two halves together and did nothing special.   Actually I can see them using Chrome.  Waterfox isn't showing them....   Great blog!  This will be super-Helpful  I am doing a blog too: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.0 Edited By Two Six on 10/11/2017 11:06:09 Edited By Two Six on 10/11/2017 11:07:30 Edited By Two Six on 10/11/2017 11:17:43

Great! Some more help! Thanks for letting me know about your blog Paul. My build has stalled since early spring due to some nasty stuff going down but I have just started building the wings now and I have found some enthusiasm for building it again. I will certainly read your blog carefully. I need all the help I can get. Actually I got a PM from a guy who has been building one too, he has some very relevant comments about short-falls in the plan and how he got round them. He said this: "I'm about half way through the build (hopefully ?. I'm finding a frustrating lack of detail in places. Particularly fitting the wing. A clear fuselage cross selections would have helped. The angle of the cut-away diagram in the magazine hides the complex central area. So far I've noted: * The precut kit cockpit area extends too far back. * The ply plates to hold the wing bolt appear not to have make it to the kit. * No mention is made of fitting the ply supports for the rear ends of the front wing securing dowels. Which need to be in place before the wing front sheeting . Plus I'm still figuring out the orientation. I'm guessing the dowels are angled down at the front. Fortunately I've only sheeted the front top of the wings, so can fix this. * F3 is an oddity. I see you also like the idea of putting it in upside down? * After much puzzling, I went for putting the wing sheet over the top of the leading and trailing edges and sanded to suit. ( I am actually used to butt joining there. ) This proved in conflict with the wood available, as four inch sheet was needed, so had to find some wider sheets. Against the butt joining, I'd failed to figure out how one mated the sheet and the wing tip triple thickness. I'm guessing now that it went over the extra layers and butt joined the leading edge proper." Hummmmmm   Edited By Two Six on 10/11/2017 10:40:32

Oops!, so sorry. Build the highside instead?   I thought that Highside looked a bit strange.   Edited By Two Six on 05/11/2017 16:15:41

Nice build Dane, I hope I can do such a good job with mine! I really like the winglets, do you think they make a difference to its gliding performance or stalling behaviour or are they just there to look nice? I have just got back to building mine, some rubbish things happened early in the spring round here and my build project got totally de-railed, I was hoping to get it done by early summer. I will be having a go at a wing today in fact. I have a build blog here : http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.0 I will update it soon. The wood kit is here: http://www.slecuk.com/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=highside&PN=Highside%2dGlider%2dCNC%2dPack%2dPRC001%2ehtml#SID=248 I think I am going to build mine as a glider to save weight, complexity and cost. I have other powered aircraft I can fly to test out lift with before I fly a pure glider. When I bought the SLEC kit, they "forgot" to put in aileron strips, they said they would correct the oversight but watch out for that and check they have included two aileron strips in the kit. Apart from that the parts kit has been fine so far and as a noob I have managed to do a reasonably good job with it.   Good luck with your build!   Edited By Two Six on 05/11/2017 10:37:11

Hi Andy G, SLEC do three kits, the CNC parts kit , the wood pack and the complete kit. http://www.slecuk.com/balsa-wood/RCME-Specials.html. The complete kit contains both kits with a price discount and it contains no other parts like snakes and control horns. Here is a scan of the parts you get in the CNC pack. The wood kit contains all the other balsa strips and sheets you need and the spruce spars. I hope that helps.

Thanks KC, I managed to cut the slot for the wire, it was quite tricky but it went well in the end, I think its going to work OK. Phew. I am wondering now about the instructions to cut the elevator in half and how that will work when it comes to fitting it to the tail/horizontal stabiliser. Is that the hinge, the wire or do I need some other hinges, I do have some mylar hinges somewhere I was going to use. I also have managed to sand a light taper to the elevator, that went OK too. Well spotted about the warped plaster board. It is only very slightly warped and the last time I did clamp the plaster board firmly to a flat board. The tail parts I have made so far are nice and flat. However I am going to need to watch that carefully, I might try the board/cork tiles method next. I also need to get some snakes/control rods, I was looking at what SLEC have and I am thinking about getting these: http://www.slecuk.com/balsa-wood/1000mm--39----Light--Weight-Snake-Set-SL025_R.html Would they be good? I know its a bit early to be thinking about control rods but I need some epoxy to glue in the wire thing so I might as well get any other bits I will need in the order. In fact can anybody recommend some of the other bits I will need, like servos?

I have started building a Highside. I am using the parts kit from SLEC and I have started a build blog here: http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=20650.msg186453;topicseen#new I will have some questions about how to build this thing as I have never built a balsa aircraft before. I think I will post my questions here as I am likely to get some better answers here rather on a multi-rotor forum. Some questions I have now. How best to cut the rebate for the 3mm piano wire elevator joiner/hinge? How best to make the profile of the elevator and rudder, the way they tapers towards the trailing edge?

OK chaps, thanks for your participation, what a playful lot you are The reason I posted this is..... These pictures came from the advert for the Parrot BEBOP2 on page 3 of this month's RCM&E. The general consensus is that one of the pictures is taken from at least 4000 feet and perhaps up to 10000 You 400 feet guys knew what I was up to I think My point is I feel it is very irresponsible to advertise mass-market multi-rotors (MR's) like this, imparting the idea in Joe Public's head that you can get one of these and fly them as hight as this, up above the clouds. Its insane. Its even more insane to lead them to believe that you can do with a parrot BEBOP using your mobile and Wi-Fi. My Wi-Fi doesn't really work upstairs let alone at 6000 feet Parrot aren't alone in using imagery that conveys to the target audience that you can operate these machines in highly inappropriate and irresponsible ways. DJI are just as bad and Horizon Hobby, all of them do this. They all use imagery that suggests you can fly your new MR over sporting events, over built up areas, up in the clouds, over crowded beaches, over shopping centres and at stupid altitudes. I do feel it is irresponsible for a magazine like RCM&E to print these adverts. I know in a world where hard cash often overcomes principles refusing to print these adverts would be financially stupid. However for a magazine that is supposed to encourage responsible and safe use of all remotely controlled flying vehicles, it is a little hypocritical to then publish such irresponsible adverts. I feel that this should be pointed out to these MR companies the next time they seek to publish adverts in this magazine and that any irresponsible imagery like these pictures used in this advert should be refused. Thanks for guessing the altitudes anyway, there is no prize and no right or wrong answers either. I just wanted to get a consensus about the fact that some of these images were taken at considerable hight, well beyond visual range anyway and certainly all above 400 feet. I rest my case Cheers!

Height above the ground that the camera would be over approximately.

OK, my go, Picture A: About 900 feet Picture B: About 1600 feet Picture C: About 2800 feet PictureD: About 6000 feet

Lets play a little game, please guess the approximate height of the camera in these pictures and post your guesses. I would like to demonstrate something important, I will post another posting later on after (hopefully a few replies) .....If you catch onto what I am about to do, shhhhhhhh, it will spoil the surprise. Honest Picture A: Picture B: Picture c: Picture D: Thanks you for your participation.

Doing a loop LOL, that's a pretty stupid requirement. This is super-advance multi-rotor flying IMHO. I have rarely seen MR's doing a proper round loop even ones flown by really really good pilots that can fly the heck out of a quad!. Honestly its a rare thing indeed to see that.. A loop at least requires a load of speed in hand and lots of height. A loop flown by anybody who isn't very very good will turn into a flip which is easy to do. You would not want to try a large round loop with anything other that a small 250 sized quad and even then, you wouldn't really want to try it. I would rather see a spiral dive from height being required as this could potentially help a lot with safety as a rapid descent might be required to avoid other air traffic. The top hat...hummmm perhaps but that is more of a helicopter thing, the 45 degree descent, again more of a heli thing with both moves giving a nod towards avoiding a vortex ring state, which is relevant with a MR, hence the spiral dive test. Perhaps emergency stops from speed would be better or recovery of controlled flight at a distance when visual orientation is very difficult or almost lost.. Of course I would also like to see nice square circuits flown with nice banked turns at speed. For the A test, hovering it out to a point, then hovering it sideways to both sides, fair enough. Figure 8's fair enough...However lazy 8's are perhaps not going to show a suitable skills in nose in control but at a basic test, fair enough.. I think nose in flying skills should be in the A test and the candidate should be required to fly nice rounded circles where the MR is nose in at the mid point. This is where the noob will have potentially dangerous problem. As for the stabilization bit...tricky, this has got to be assessed on an individual basis by somebody who know how flight controllers work. However by definition all FC's provide stabilization in all modes. Finally, I have been in the BMFA since 2005 and I have never met ONE qualified examiner..there were rumours that so and so was one but I wouldn't know how to go about getting tested. Nice one for trying BMFA but so far these MR flight tests are a bit of a fail. I am sorry to say. Edited By Two Six on 18/03/2016 12:46:17 Edited By Two Six on 18/03/2016 12:47:19 Edited By Two Six on 18/03/2016 13:00:38

I am thinking about building the Cliffwhacker or the Ballerina. Not sure which one to do first at this stage but I have most of the wood to get cracking with the CliffWhacker..I might make it electric. The thing is I have "lost " the original magazine with the build instructions in it. In fact I remember giving it to my dentist's surgery for their waiting room. Doh! Any chance somebody could scan and email me the original article? Or post some build instructions on here? Thanks!

I am going to buy some wood from SLEC soon, I was wondering if anybody could point me to a coupon code for a discount? I am sure I have seen one somewhere here or in RCM&E. Perhaps it was for the pre-cut wood packs for the Ballerina or the CliffWhacker.

My Taranis is great. I never use companion to program it. I can do everything I need to do just using the Taranis menus. Its very intuitive and super flexible. There is really no need to be a nerd or a geek. Programming a Taranis is just different from a "normal" TX as its a blank slate. Once you get your head around that you can make it do ANYTHING you want. Setting up all that glider stuff is easy with a Taranis where doing the same thing on a Spektrum TX is probably going to be a cludge, where you would need to be nerdy geek to overcome the limitations of the on board configuration system. The cost of the receivers and telemetry modules are very low too, unlike Spektrum units, which cost a small fortune.

A comment on the poll on registration: The problem with registration is, its all part of a TOTALITARIAN TIP-TOE TO A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP where you need a permit for EVERYTHING. There will be somebody, probably the police who will check to see if your registered. Great more reasons for people to come to Police attention and get scanned through the database! If your not registered then what happens? Potentially you might get fined, prosecuted, get your model and radio taken and your tools taken away and destroyed? Do you get banned from flying? For how long? Who knows you might even Tasered or shot. OOOh yeah I want some of THAT..NOT Registration sucks. It won't stop ass-hats flying dangerously, they won't even know they have to register and if they do know they won't bother to do it because they are Ass-Hats. This legislation is being introduced on the back of Main Stream Media Fear Porn. Its a solution to a made up problem. If you want it, your building your own prison, bit by bit. Edited By Two Six on 19/02/2016 21:24:04

Sorry guys, you lost me back there somewhere around about the wing bulkhead carbon rod retaining flap notch forward of the Cof G thing that you have to file upwards and secure with a tube of something or other.... So would a OS 46 LA be a good engine for this plane? What size tank do you need?

Some great encouraging responses so far. Thanks. I have read quite a few build blogs and the getting started thread. So I have a LITTLE BIT of an idea as to what's required. Have I flown a low winger, nope. I have a Bixler and an AXN floater jet, I fly these quite often, hill soaring them. I have been learning how to fly since 2006 with the Boomerang and finally got some confidence to fly it solo last summer...a bit. I also fly MCPX's a lot, a my 250 FPV racer quad, my Hubsan and I hope to get comfortable flying my 450 helis by the end of the summer.... Some nice kits there from DB, however I really want to build my own plane from scratch. I have bought the wood already too. I am going to have a proper look at the plans pretty soon......that's a start, then start chopping out bits for the fuselage.

Hi Folks, I have never built a balsa model before. I am seriously thinking about starting. I have all the stuff I need to get building. I was considering building the CliffWhacker but I feel queezy about the whole no engine thing...I also really fancy another IC powered model. I have a Seagull Boomerang and the field kit for it so another glow powered model would be nice. I also have an old Enya 35 engine that's still pretty good...I think...that I am considering using. Or I might get a new hobbyking motor..not sure yet. Perhaps I shouldn't base a new build on such an old engine. It has been fairly abused by me in my younger years when I used to run it on a bench. It flew once, crashed once and has sat about for years. Still that said, it does run OK. I am going to test it again with a nice new fuel system to see how it runs. Then I can decide... Anyhow, just a note to say hi and check in. Where should I start with this project?