Martin Fraser

Hi Ken, Some very useful and interesting info in Peter's findings regarding dihedral and flying characteristics. His Saito 125a is quoted as 2.2hp and it 'hops off the ground' so I'm beginning to wonder if my Saito 120 R3 is going to have enough oomph. Anyway, many thanks to you and Peter for posting. Cheers, Martin

What about the BMFA national centre? Camping on site or there's a very nice hotel in the village of Buckminster a few miles away. The Tollemache Arms (tollemache-arms.co.uk) And - it's always calm and sunny.🙂

I've been tinkering on with the build and because of the Saito's architecture, I've decided to mould the nose section and the engine cowling in GF. Maybe it's the camera but it looks too big but it's as per plan. These are just the plugs to make the moulds. I will provide some hard points for their attachment.

e Martin Fraser 38 Replied: 5 minutes ago Hi Ken, Yes the plan is a bit sketchy here. I've made up some brass L shaped plates that I've silver soldered to the ends of piano wire. As you can see they form the attachment points to the T nuts in the wings and the diagonal bracing wires. These struts will be clad in beech and given a streamline section - they should be strong enough me thinks. I think I've resolved my fuel tank access problem, through the firewall via a removable panel that I'll seal with silicon. It will entail an engine out job if I need to get to it but hopefully no surgery!

Wow, that looks great. Does Peter have a build blog anywhere? I wonder if he will maiden it this year. Thanks for sharing the photos Ken.

Hi Ken, Unusual paint scheme, NZ navy maybe? I wonder if he's hinging the wings? Cheers, Martin

Hi Ken, Yeah, that's what I did as it saves the plans a bit. Cliff's model looks great - nice scheme! I wonder how many Swordfish have been built from his plans? I was down at the Navy Wings hangar at Yeovilton a few years ago to look at the full size and spotted a model of one up on top of a container but I could get to it unfortunately. I served there as a young air mechanic in the early 70s and the historic flight's hangar was just a 100mts from ours and I didn't pay that much attention to the old 'String Bag' but when they wheeled the Sea Fury out everyone downed tools for the start up and subsequent flying display. Now 50 years on I can appreciate what an amazing aircraft the Swordfish is and what it achieved in the hands of true heroes. Enjoy the Tempest build but save some balsa for the Swordfish. The sun is out so I'm off flying now. Cheer. Martin.

Good morning Ken, Well done on getting the plan. I know what you mean, a template wound have been most helpful. However, there is a straight line showing its top edge and I identified it by measuring the slots for it in the fire wall and F8. Similarly, its bottom edge can be checked by cross referencing with the other frames. As plans go, it does need a bit of deciphering and there is some confusing labelling of things. The side view of the fuselage shows the frame numbers logically but the top view has them going from F5 to F10 and F11 then back to F8 ??? Knowing what I know now, I would cut out the frame bulkheads 1 to 8 and dry fit them onto the two plywood sides. Once happy notch F1 and F8 to accept the upper and lower square longerons and then notch the other frames to suit. Same with the stringers as the cut outs for them on the plans are a bit out of whack. Also, there's very little detail on where to place servos so think about their locations and their control runs now and make provision for them in the frames. I'm going a bit scale and using closed loops for the elevator and rudder - yes it's a right fiddle! Please fire away with any queries and I'll do my best to shed a light. Regards, Martin

Welcome to the forum Dave, All good advice above there. If your budget will stretch - I've been buddy-box flying with a learner at our club and have been quite impressed with his Xfly Glastar. It flies well on a 3s 2200mHa lipo and will take a 4s pack for sport flying. Nice big wheels and there seems to be a good spares backup. Have fun with whatever you decide on. Cheers, Marty P.S. No connection with MSL. Xfly Glastar V2 Bush/Trainer 1233mm Wingspan PNP XF105PV2, Model Shop Leeds

That confirms my experience with Prosynth Jon. My LHS ran out of the Opti juice so I tried their 12% in the wee Saito 60 twin and it just didn't perform or sound the same despite retuning. I think that's why I've still got half a gallon of it left over. Cheers, Marty P.S. Snowing in Denbighshire today!

Hi Paul, The only time I've had a prop throw its self was with my OS91 4c when I back flicked it with a chicken stick, probably prop nuts not torqued up quite enough. But point taken and I would never let anyone else in front of it while starting or running. Cheers, Marty

Hi John, Yeah I'm sure there is a bit more room for improvement with both low and main jet tuning and also fuel choice. At the moment I'm running it on the same juice (Opti 4st 15% nitro) I run my Saito FA -60T on but I've got some Prosynth 12% that I might try it on once I get it to the field. Thanks for your input, Marty

Hi folks, I've been doing a few ground runs on the Yak and trying to get a feel for the Saito radial. I've bit the bullet and installed a 3 pot onboard glow driver powered with a 1s 6000 mAh hard case lipo. My starting technique is to block the exhaust, cold crank with the starter until it sounds juicy and then heat the plugs. A few blips with the starter and it normally fires and ticks over. As others have found, number 2 pot is a bit slow to join in from cold but once warmed up by 1 & 3 it runs well. See FLIR images at the end of the video. I've installed a temp probe on No1 cylinder head and have had a reading of 117*c after a good full bore 30second run. I've no idea if this is good, bad or ugly but as a precaution I've opened up the moulded in louvers on the cowling to provide a bit of through flow. If it pulls this well once in the air I'll be very pleased but that isn't going to happen until the weather improves. Cheers, Marty P.S. I don't make a habit of standing in front of a revving engine. Ground run.mp4

Hi Ken, The Swordfish is inching along and is pretty much as you see it above. As far as the plans go they are fine if all you want is a stand-off scale model. It’s drawn with built up main planes i.e. upper and lower to be rigged at the field. Having watched people spend an hour or two rigging biplanes I didn’t fancy going this route so I embarked on redesigning the wings to fold as per the full size aircraft, thereby enabling me to transport it in a normal estate car. So that’s where the fun begins! The more I considered this redesign the more issues became apparent and different stresses would have to be accommodated. The hinging geometry is quite 'interesting' in that the upper centre panel is narrower than the lower and a good bit further forward. The full size lower wings have no dihedral and the upper wings have about 3 degs and are swept back. I wish I had thought to angle its ribs so that they are parallel with the air flow On the plan these are drawn as 7 degs for the upper and about 3degs for the lower. I’m sure it’s this way to give easier handling but compared to the full size it looked daft. So I’ve followed the full size and will fit leading edge slats to the uppers and may even install a gyro! Anyway back to the plan. I had thought of getting the ribs and bulkheads laser cut but glad I didn’t as many of the cut-outs don’t correspond to the plan view. Also, some of the ribs on the tail plane are not a mirror image of one another i.e. the left side spacing is exactly 1/8th out from the right side. No big deal but something that is there to catch you out when installing some hard points for bracing struts and rigging wires. The U/C is drawn as bent piano wire but I’ve gone for a wishbone with a sprung oleo as per full size. There isn’t much detail where to put servos and access to the fuel tank is worrying me at the moment – I do like to be able to service everything. I hope this doesn’t sound too negative about the plan as it’s quite old I guess and drawn in the traditional way without the help of CAD and some of my problems are due to inexperience in balsa bashing and the others are with going off piste design wise. If you keep it simple and watch out for a few googlies then I would go for it. Cheers, Marty. P.S. As far as engines go it might have the Saito radial installed but it sounds a bit sporty or a single 90 or 120 up front. I’m guessing AUW is going to be 5Kg ish.

Ah OK John, I'll probably put 3 on each surface. Many thanks, Marty