shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Hi everyone i am new here, I recently got given a Dick Edmunds Halton Special by my brother in law, its in perfect condition never flown by the looks of it. I cant find any info on it or the company itself. Just wanted to know a bit more about it and wether its something that is considered a collectors item. Many thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Welcome to the site Shaun.....hope you enjoy it.... I'm not familiar with the model but hopefully someone will be along soon who can tell us something about it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Thanks for the welcome, hopefully someone will help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Agate Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Hi Shaun, take a look at this: **LINK** One Tony OShea flew one in the world championships in the late 1970s, having added flaps to it. Check out this link: **LINK** It was an expensive model in its time, being supplied ARTF when practically everything else was kit-built, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were some collectors value. It was made by EMP (Edmonds Model Products). The designer, Dick Edmonds, also designed the Keil Kraft Scorpion with an ABS fuselage and foam wings, which was my first RC power model (not the same as the older wooden KK Scorpion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Thanks for reply mark, had a look at that earlier today, it does seem to be a model of some calibre if it made it to world championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Agate Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Hmm, can't remember how he did - would have to check my RCM&Es in the loft. I don't think you could really call it a serious competition model (he may have needed a thermaller at short notice if he'd pranged having entered the W/champs!). I remember a couple of guys in the club had them though, and they were pretty good by 1970s standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Here is a couple of pics i just took Edited By Steve Hargreaves - Moderator on 08/05/2013 17:31:09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 My son holding it, the only time its been out of box since i got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Here's a couple of pics of a good-looking young chap with his EMP Corona, a 100" class from the same stable, taken sometime between 1978 and 1983: Judging by the impending challenge to the follicles evident in the second pic, it seems to have lasted rather well.... Whilst not the most competitive or contest-orientated in the 100" class, it was a pleasure to fly and acquitted itself well - indeed, it was good enough to beat Chris Foss in a thermal comp at the old Portsmouth Airport, so there! IIRC, the Halton Special may have had a larger wingspan on the same fuselage but I'm not sure - what's the span on yours, Shaun? Unfortunately, I too have found very little on the Web about Edmonds Model Products, apart from that link to the team pic, but the models were quite popular at the time. If you've a hankering to fly a model, Shaun, please start on something a little less precious and keep the Halton to enjoy when you're ready - there aren't enough about to risk it as a trainer. If it's not your thing, then I reckon an Ebay listing might attract a fair bit of attention..... Pete ps D'you know, looking in the mirror, I haven't really changed that much....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Not really wanting to fly it and as for wingspan i think its 94inches or there abouts, my only problem with ebay is i have no real idea of its value so would not know where to start pricing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Pete its 98 inch wing span according to box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I wouldn't want to put a figure on the forum - I'll PM you, but please don't take just my word for it - I'm sure others will have an idea of its value too. It may be worth you watching the R/C Aeroplanes section of Ebay for a while to get an idea of current vintage and collectable kits values, before you list it. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Thanks Pete look forward to your pm, i must admit i was surprised at its condition after finding out its age. I might put more pics up of other bits from box etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Oh and definitely interested if anyone else has any more information on this model and anything else helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 8, 2013 Author Share Posted May 8, 2013 Few more pics, once again thanks for any help Edited By shaun holford on 08/05/2013 21:10:07 Edited By Steve Hargreaves - Moderator on 09/05/2013 10:31:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 This thread takes me back...to the last flight before my quarter century modelling break when my Halton Special committed Hara Kiri within sight of its spiritual home of Halton Ridge - the rudder servo locked full over and it spiralled in at terminal velocity! Actually, I still have the airbrakes that I fitted to the wings somewhere in the loft... Edited By Martin Harris on 08/05/2013 23:57:04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Although mine has servos etc in it my brother in law says he never flew it, i found the servos in the box and put them in the cockpit for photo purposes lol, still unsure wether or not i will keep it or maybe find someone willing to buy it. Loving the responses though keep it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Shaun - although I appreciate your servos are only in temporarily, the eyelets should go the other way up...a very common mistake even amongst experienced modellers but as you're just starting out something that you may not be aware of. The idea is to spread the load on the bearer - the thin brass will just cut in to the bearer that way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Shaun, when you post pics please try & remember to insert a new line between each pic.....if you don't the clunky old software on the forum posts them all side by side & mucks up the page format.... Thanks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 Just a quick update this model is now listed on ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Eventually found it, Shaun, but it's not in a category that's likely to attract many bids from aeromodellers, IMHO. You'll be relying on someone searching on the word 'Halton' and there won't be many of those. You really should move or add it to Toys & Games;Radio-Controlled;Aeroplanes:Aeroplanes That way it will be seen by many, many more potential purchasers than at present.... Good luck with it! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun holford Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 Thanks for that Pete will get onto that asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc van der Zande Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Hello guys, I am new on this topic. I bought myself a nice present on Marktplaats being an Edmund Halton Special glider. I am surprised how easy to fly this model. However I am having problems with the start. Reaching a height of 20m the glider disconnect from the line. The theory about this issue seems to be a rearwords position of the release hook. I have not yet changed the original releasehook (the triangle plywood hook). I have the following questions: - What is the best location of the releasehook? - What is the location of the C.G.? - Is the constuction drawing still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 The basic figure for the tow hook is about thirty degrees angled forward from the centre of gravity position (balance point). Balance the model at about 30% of the chord width measured from the leading edge close to the fuselage. These figures will give you a safe starting point but will need adjusting for best performance and your personal taste. Make the tow hook mounting adjustable for a screw in type tow hook so that you get the best climb on the bungee or towline but without a tendency to ping off early. A 20M climb is very poor indeed. If the tow hook and balance are roughly correct, is your tow method the problem? A cheap and nasty elastic cotton covered bungee will cause you problems, as they are more like catapults in the way they release their energy. Do you have enough nylon line attached to the rubber section? 80 to 100M I used to find worked well. Trying to launch in calm or near calm conditions will not give great results. A surgical rubber bungee is far superior. How far to stretch it you'll have to judge. Launching technique can make or break! your flight. Generally speaking, launch without any elevator input but then gradually feed in 'up' as the model settles into a climb, keeping the line tight and using any wind to advantage. Either allow the model to release itself at the top when the line has slackened a bit, or learn the 'zoom' technique to gain a bit of extra height. Good luck, hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc van der Zande Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 11:45, Cuban8 said: The basic figure for the tow hook is about thirty degrees angled forward from the centre of gravity position (balance point). Balance the model at about 30% of the chord width measured from the leading edge close to the fuselage. These figures will give you a safe starting point but will need adjusting for best performance and your personal taste. Make the tow hook mounting adjustable for a screw in type tow hook so that you get the best climb on the bungee or towline but without a tendency to ping off early. A 20M climb is very poor indeed. If the tow hook and balance are roughly correct, is your tow method the problem? A cheap and nasty elastic cotton covered bungee will cause you problems, as they are more like catapults in the way they release their energy. Do you have enough nylon line attached to the rubber section? 80 to 100M I used to find worked well. Trying to launch in calm or near calm conditions will not give great results. A surgical rubber bungee is far superior. How far to stretch it you'll have to judge. Launching technique can make or break! your flight. Generally speaking, launch without any elevator input but then gradually feed in 'up' as the model settles into a climb, keeping the line tight and using any wind to advantage. Either allow the model to release itself at the top when the line has slackened a bit, or learn the 'zoom' technique to gain a bit of extra height. Good luck, hope this helps. On 16/02/2023 at 11:45, Cuban8 said: The basic figure for the tow hook is about thirty degrees angled forward from the centre of gravity position (balance point). Balance the model at about 30% of the chord width measured from the leading edge close to the fuselage. These figures will give you a safe starting point but will need adjusting for best performance and your personal taste. Make the tow hook mounting adjustable for a screw in type tow hook so that you get the best climb on the bungee or towline but without a tendency to ping off early. A 20M climb is very poor indeed. If the tow hook and balance are roughly correct, is your tow method the problem? A cheap and nasty elastic cotton covered bungee will cause you problems, as they are more like catapults in the way they release their energy. Do you have enough nylon line attached to the rubber section? 80 to 100M I used to find worked well. Trying to launch in calm or near calm conditions will not give great results. A surgical rubber bungee is far superior. How far to stretch it you'll have to judge. Launching technique can make or break! your flight. Generally speaking, launch without any elevator input but then gradually feed in 'up' as the model settles into a climb, keeping the line tight and using any wind to advantage. Either allow the model to release itself at the top when the line has slackened a bit, or learn the 'zoom' technique to gain a bit of extra height. Good luck, hope this helps. Both tow hook and CG changed accordingly. With 20m bungee and 100m nylon cord the glider reached 63m having 16km windspeed. Can I have better results? The CG looks correct because gliding is perfect. Do I need to have the hook more to the front or aft to reach more height? 20230429_134118_1.mp4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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