Andy Green Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Good idea David, but 2 holes might be easier to align. I'll see how easy it will be. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Android Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Posted by Andy Green on 25/11/2014 17:05:34: Q * The fuselage is jig built by DSM, so I would expect it to be right, * Sorry , Mr G, T'aint neccessarily so ............... With no disrespect to anyone the " accuracy " of DSM kits could be err' a little variable. Good idea to let the parts " stand " in the building room for a couple of weeks ( in the open not in the box ) before undertaking any assembly , in order to see if any warpage took place . I was told this was due to using very " green " balsa , but given the age of any existing kits you would think that they are by now well - seasoned ? Again , 2 of my pre - built DSM fuz tried to imitate banana's ! I also used to let the wings stand ( in their cores) in the airing cupboard for a few days , weighing them before and after . In any event , with DSM of that era their is / was a Lot of work involved , I built 3 x DSM and only one of the wing seats / bulkhead lineup was even remotely close . Fag Packet instructions , but His trimming chart works as well now as it did then . Long time ago now , but I seem to remember on at least one of them , setting the wing on it's seat for best fit , redoing the bulkhead / dowels etc. then resetting / cutting the tailplane to achieve correct incidence . rather than re- do the wing seat. As you are well aware Mr G. - Bob Cotsford got it right . Maybe not a good idea to finish the leading edge in the bulkhead vicinity beforehand ? but nobody I know builds the same way twice. Hindsight is a wonderful thing . I am sure you will get there in the end . BTW, I have no special expertise - these tips were freely given many moons ago by much better builders then Moi' Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Quick point re the dowels 'missing' the leading edge - if this was by design I could understand it as that would leave the leading edge with it's full strength. I sometimes wonder why we like to drill straight through this one piece of wood right at it's point of maximum stress. By placing the dowels below the wing surface and embedding them in the bellypan front we leave the wing intact to resist G loads and the dowels still provide resistance in shear for negative G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Android Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 It never dawned on me to possibly use the belly pan for the wing mount dowels . Reading through this website is very informative , and thanks to those who share their building blogs & tips . Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 19/01/2015 13:22:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Android Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Forgot to add , I personally had grevious problems with Tank - Height / Fuelling / Access using an inverted 4C , without a major redesign possibly involving a whole new fuz being built, which kind of defeats the point of purchase , do yer think ? , it was easier / better ( from my point of view) to revert to a 2C motor . Again , others may have been more successful ? Regards. Android Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Thanks for all your help on this guys, but because of lack of time and space I have decided to sell her. On the BMFA now. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Well, call it karma or devine intervention, but as soon as I posted this on the BMFA the site went down (Remember that), so it didn't sell. And I'm really pleased about that. With a fresh eye and a clear bench the build has been completed. Still loads to do to complete. Details as usual on my website. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well its been longer than I hoped, but I'm expecting to have this finished ready for the Montford bridge meet. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I had one once, flew well with a Saito 65, but sold the model. The person, I know is still flying it, but might look for another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 What powerplant have you used Andy? It looks great - as usual for your models Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Hi Martyn I've got a YS110S up front on a short 4s pipe. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 That should suffice. looking forward to seeing it fly Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dunning Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Suffice? I should say more than suffice! Hang on to your hat Andy when that goes off mate. Hopefully see you at Montford Bridge. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Suffice to say its called an understatement Steve M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Thornton Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I had one of these in '93. Have to agree the "Jig Built" fuz was a little wonky but once built it was a pussycat to fly, even with a pumped n piped OS61 up front. Went like a jet vertically, but had really good manners when slowed down. I'm thrilled to see the resurgance of interest in what I consider to be proper old school aerobats, its a refreshing change from the laser cut artf techno race, so common these days. Anyone got a tatty old Gangster 63 or similar cluttering their shed? Anything considered, as I have a 61 that needs an airframe. Best regards Gareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 The fuz in this kit was OK, even after all these years, maybe it did warp the right way and it made it straight. Just realised I don't have any photos of the complete model, Martyn may have some flying shots from Montford Bridge. Gareth have you looked on the UKCAA website Resources page - here you will find links to plans for a lot of the old stuff. PS one of the best models I've ever flown. Andy Edited By Andy Green on 30/11/2015 16:28:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Only this one. and this of the Adagio Its one of those difficult places to photograph models - the sun is directly opposite the pilots box so everything is contra-jour Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Thornton Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Thanks Andy, will check the resources page. Nostalgia here I come. Your Saphir looks great, and I have to agree, they fly beautifully. Even made my hamfisted stick twiddling look good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Burgess 2 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Martyn Just to let you know the Adagio was first shown at the Montford bridge meet. It is mine. If you remember I had brought along a Crescent Tornado , Adagio and a bit different- Pavel Bosack Tornado. Andy will not mind me telling you this. Lets hope 2016 is a great flying year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Android Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 " The fuz in this kit was OK, even after all these years, maybe it did warp the right way and it made it straight." Happy to see you built , and Flew it Andy . Determination often Beats detractors .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Hi Trevor Apologies! I forgot to caption the photos. You will be glad to know I got it right for the next newsletter though Pete Personally, I blame it all on the Shed Pixies. No matter what you do, they always move something so that something else gets warped. Occasionally,they also appear in the middle of the night and assemble things for you as well (usually not very well). Usually appear after you have had about 6 pints.. Can be thoughtful these shed pixies. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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