Trevor Crook Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 I briefly mentioned this on another thread, but no-one responded. I'm fairly keen to build the 362 delta from the May issue, but the free plan doesn't show the shape of formers F1 and F2, port and starboard halves. With a conventional design, it would be simple to derive the shapes, but these are a bit more complex. Any chance of an addendum being published? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Cotsford Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Rectangular(ish) isn't far off for F2, sized to match the rib depth at R1 and R2, then F1 on the Outerzone 363 plan could be resized to match the 362 F1 dimensions. Have you tried sending David Ashby a PM to point out the omission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Crook Posted April 16, 2017 Author Share Posted April 16, 2017 Yes, Percy, it's F1 that's the problem, F2 can be derived. Bob, good suggestion about the PM, I've sent one to David. It will be a while before I start to build it, so if they can print the outline(s) in the mag sometime soon it will help others as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robertson 3 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Good work, Trevor. I second that request for Former information. How do I send a PM to the editor regarding this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.4g Shaun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Hi Shaun here author of the 362 article. I've just reviewed the mag and it's correct the formers have been missed off the plan.I will call Dave Ashby and sort it out. Glad to see you are wanting to build it, you won't be disappointed as it's a great sport model.Just in case you haven't noticed there is also some detail for it on the Chica plan.I'm looking forward to the photos.I've got some interesting stuff planned for the future.Edited By 2.4g Shaun on 17/04/2017 01:59:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Crook Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 John, you go to your inbox at the top of the screen, then compose a new message. Probably not worth troubling David with another message as it looks like it's in hand. Shaun, thanks for the response. I must admit it took me a while to find the centre rib on the other sheet! I am interested in the 362 as I built one when the original article was written by Peter. Alas, as an inexperienced teenager I wrote it off on its first flight. It was rather nose heavy so I had to feed in a lot of up trim. Hence, when I tried an inverted pass, there wasn't enough down elevator to maintain height. I then panicked and tried to half loop out, and the ground got in the way! A month or two later, in his S&L column, Peter mentioned that the CG shown on the plan is the most forward recommended position. This is unusual, and I had played safe and balanced mine ahead of the plan position, hence my issue. It may be worth passing on this info for potential builders. I'm thinking that a 500W 4s setup should give much better performance than the Veco .19 in my original! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Crook Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just realised I had this photo of my ill fated 362. I added a canopy because I've always liked my models to bear some resemblance to a full size machine. 45 years later I'll get around to building a replacement. Pity I can't replace all of that hair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2.4g Shaun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Hi Trevor, Your motor set up should be OK as it's a slippery beast. but as I love speed I used 650 W ... I revisited the 362 after seeing that i-Gull sold a rib set and used them so I can see how R1 could be a little illusive on the plan. Over the years I've found that a slightly rearward C of G on a delta is definitely preferable than a forward one. Post you pics of your new one when it's done.. great pic of the original. I've looked but can't find mine Shaun Edited By 2.4g Shaun on 17/04/2017 10:24:37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Posted by Trevor Crook on 17/04/2017 07:25:54: ......It was rather nose heavy so I had to feed in a lot of up trim. Hence, when I tried an inverted pass, there wasn't enough down elevator to maintain height. I then panicked and tried to half loop out, and the ground got in the way! A month or two later, in his S&L column, Peter mentioned that the CG shown on the plan is the most forward recommended position. This is unusual, and I had played safe and balanced mine ahead of the plan position, hence my issue. It may be worth passing on this info for potential builders. When I first got mine and fitted the 46 the closest I could get to the suggested C of G was about 1 1/4" ahead. It flew ok with a bit of up trim but didn't like to flair on landing so it was best to come in hot. I didn't try any inverted passes with it in that state! It took about 4oz of lead wedged right back against the rear web to get the balance somewhere near right, using mini servos in it turned out to be a bit of a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Crook Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 You may need to be patient, Shaun - I'm a slow builder and haven't got the wood yet! I'll certainly make the battery compartment big enough to allow plenty of fore-aft movement. Never been tempted by a syrup, Percy, I've adapted to the streamlined appearance. Need a hat for sunny flying sessions though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.4g Shaun Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Hi guys, Problem sorted; I've just spoken with David Ashby and he will arrange for the former details to be available as a download asap and will put them in next months mag. Happy building.. Edited By 2.4g Shaun on 17/04/2017 11:17:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Trevor Crook Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Many thanks Shaun, and David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ashby - Moderator Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 The .pdf with the missing formers will be in the downloads section later today. With apologies to all. Edited By David Ashby - RCME on 19/04/2017 15:31:45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONZO Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Well I've just spent a little time looking around the site in case the .pdf has been hidden somewhere else, with no success. Any one able to point me in the right direction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Just where is the 'downloads section'? I can never find that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONZO Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Bob, the downloads section **LINK** The .pdf for the 362 formers has not long been added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2.4g Shaun Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Here's the download section:- http://www.modelflying.co.uk/news/article/rcme-extra/2993/ Here's the direct link:- http://forums.modelflying.co.uk/sites/3/documents/362Delta-Reprint-Formers.pdf Cheers, Shaun Ooops you bet me too it Gonzo Edited By 2.4g Shaun on 20/04/2017 12:51:52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 ok, thanks Gonzo and Shaun. Of course the new items are at the bottom of the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robertson 3 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 My thanks too - I often struggle with IT stuff and appreciate not-so-subtle hints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael kuss Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Am I correct in assuming that the r1 and r2 rbs-formers are located on the Chica plan sheet ? Its just that my May copy didn't include the Chica plan . cheers Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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