Codename-John

I morally think it was wrong of him to do what he did, but Criminally he did nothing wrong and that is what I will defend. As I said there is no difference morally in him and a camera man with a camera on his shoulder getting images, so why should he be specifically targeted just because he used a different method of camera equipment. For there to be a breach of the peace and people to complain of his actions etc then it would imply there were others at the scene who had no business being there, What were these other people ( the people not connected to dealing with the incident ) doing there if not to Stand and Gawk at what was happening, what is the moral difference between them being there for their own purpose and him, yet he is the one who gets arrested and detained for 5 hours Edited By Codename-John on 01/01/2015 22:35:37

Posted by Dave Hopkin on 01/01/2015 21:39:06: Hands and fist may kill people BUT they never dont commit mass murder.... But I feel I am talking to someone who firmly believes in the 2nd amendment - I will end my comments on this theme here before it creates bad blood, as one who has seen what modern firearms do to human flesh I find your defence of them in civilian and largely untrained hands abhorent Other things than Guns do commit Mass murder in the wrong hands though, Knives, Axes, Blunt objects, Coolaide, Zyklon B There has been an unfortunate incident in Plymouth today involving an axe and a knife for instance, although not mass murder, there has still been a killing and injuries inflicted on people. If somebody chose to there would be no difference between somebody shooting a group of people or purposely driving a car into a crowd of people for instance, the crime is what should be punished not the inanimate object used. The second amendment means nothing to me, I`m Welsh, my actual personal opinion of America in general is quite low, the fish rots from the head down as they say, when you look at what their government does around the world regarding Death, Guns, Bombs, When you have potential Presidential candidates cheering the execution of people by armed Militias without trial etc then is it any wonder many of the citizens are the way they are ?

Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 01/01/2015 21:43:10: Codename John - if you are ever overcome with the urge to make a post on this forum about model aircraft please do be sure to PM me - I'd hate to miss it! BEB Lol so multirotors and their pilots don't count as Model Aircraft now ?

I find your description of this man quite offensive Pete, words such as " Idiot, specimen, Knuckle dragging followers" when he was acting in a legal manner, he has obtained a licence from the CAA allowing him to partake in such activity and had permission from the landowner, The very fact he didn't get charged with any offence relating to the actual flying of the drone goes to show he committed no offence, it would be fairly easy to prove any offence given the amount of witnesses to it My reply to you regarding the "news report" was on the basis you had asked us to "judge for ourselves what kind of man he is" based on the part you included in your post. If you were tasked with sorting this out do you think Surrey Police would be classed as an independent witness in the matter ? I would suggest not, yet you automatically formed an opinion and tried to influence others in their opinion based soley on what their PR department released as a statement to the press

Posted by Tony Bennett on 01/01/2015 21:01:28: he had permission to fly from the field, did he have permission to overfly the fire site and take pictures. that is the question. Yes Link

Or look in the freezer part for ready made ones that take 4 mins to heat up ?

From the pictures it would appear the guy is standing alone in a field, how is he, by operating with permission, safely and legally, the one causing a breach of the peace, the police caused more fuss and danger by their actions. Probably more like based on their opinion they've ordered him to stop what he was doing and they've got on their power trip when he hasn't complied, ( because he wasn't doing anything legally wrong ) then excused their behaviour by a trumped up charge they don't actually have to prove

Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 31/12/2014 21:47:41: ps Here is a news report on the matter. Judge for yourself just what sort of person he is: Surrey Police said the arrest was made following complaints from local residents and others in the area where a mother and her two young children had died. Detective Chief Inspector Antony Archibald said: "A number of uniformed officers and detectives were sent to the scene of this tragic incident to assist Surrey Fire and Rescue Service with their investigation. "While in attendance, concerns about the behaviour of a man were raised to officers from people who believed he was acting in a disrespectful and intrusive manner. "At the time of the arrest, the main focus for officers and fire crew at the scene was to conclude the initial forensic investigation and to allow the dignified removal of the bodies of those who had sadly died. "This was a deeply distressing incident which has devastated the community and the impact will be felt for some time. The thoughts of all at Surrey Police are with those affected by the fire." A police spokesman said that once the "risk of the breach of the peace" had ended, the man was freed from police custody. Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 31/12/2014 21:51:01 That's not a news report though, that is a one sided press release statement released from Surrey Police reported as "news", you cannot judge anything about a person from that. What is the difference between a news reporter standing with a normal camera on his shoulder trying to get film footage at a tragic event and someone using a "drone" ?

Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 01/01/2015 19:05:21: Looking at your FBI stats link, CJ, you seem to have overlooked the 6220 who were killed with handguns..... and that poor misguided woman sure as heck didn't have an assault rifle or shotgun in her handbag..... Using your source, out of 12664 murder victims, 8583 died as a result of a firearm. You can be as selective as you like to try and prove a point but the fact remains, giving the great unwashed unfettered access to guns can only make things worse. Pete I guess you missed my third paragraph then Pete ? That was a reply to Dave, who singled out "assault" weapons ( don't all weapons assault you in some way or another ? ) which rifles are classed as, and were in the majority used in school shootings he points out, the facts show that hands and fists killed more people than the entire range of assault weapons Dave thinks are so bad. As I did point out lower down 67% of homicides are committed with guns, however I don't see how you can class the entire 320+ Million population of the US as "the great unwashed" and I`m quite sure many of them may object to your description, as obviously the majority of gun owners do take responsibility of their guns properly. When you think of the amount of guns, crime, gangs etc we know are in America by the fact that there were 8583 murders with firearms I`d bet the percentage of legally and properly owned guns that were used to kill is a very small percentage, and some of the victims would have still been killed if the Assailant didn't have a gun

The FBI crime statistics for 2011 show that while 323 murders were committed with a rifle, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs. Shall we ban hammers and clubs? They are more dangerous than rifles. Nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use shotguns. People are 60 percent more likely to die from a knife or sharp instrument than rifles and shotguns combined. It is also true that 67% of homicides are committed by guns, but these homicides are mostly caused by handguns as opposed to the “assault guns” Dianne Feinstein believes must be banned. As homicides with guns have gone down, the data also shows that the amount of people killed by hammers, clubs and other blunt instruments continues to rise each year though not to the level of gun deaths yet. Edited By Codename-John on 01/01/2015 18:35:57

Posted by avtur on 01/01/2015 10:16:09: One has to accept that the ownership of weapons in the USA will never be effectively controlled, the population is vast and the number of weapons in circulation so numerous that effective control will never happen, I accept that. My comment isn't based on this one incident, child related accidental deaths involving fire arms are a regular occurrence. Having lived in the USA I'm quite familiar with attitudes that persist there, my experience is that there are many people who oppose the right to bear arms but the the NRA are so powerful nothing will change, that's a shame when there are so many gun related deaths. I appreciate that guns don't kill on their own, they have to fired by someone and that will always lay the blame with people rather than guns. In the instance quoted the mother was described as a responsible person, so how the does her own child manage to gain access to the fire arm and cause this tragic event. It's tragic enough that the mother died but this happened in a public place, the victim could have been anyone. Edited By avtur on 01/01/2015 10:17:20 You can`t ban everything because some people have accidents. Search some actual facts online instead of sensationalist headlines and you will see that even in the US, accidental Firearm deaths is a tiny proportion of the mortality rate, Heart Disease is by far the biggest killer over there, accidental deaths is a small percentage of the total. Firearms is a tiny percentage of the accidental total, with the majority Motor vehicle accidents, drowning, fire etc. Sometimes you just have to accept Darwinism for the benefits it brings to society Edited By Codename-John on 01/01/2015 17:39:40

Posted by avtur on 31/12/2014 13:35:27: Change of rant ... Americans who continue to fight for the right to bear arms and gun law so liberal that everyone is in danger. Reported yesterday an incident where a 2 year old child (yes 2 years old!) was reaching into his mum's handbag and accidentally shot his mother with a hand gun concealed within the handbag, and this happened in a Walmart store. The mother apparently had a permit to carry a concealed weapon; I find it impossible to understand what justification there can be for a young mother to be carrying a weapon (concealed or otherwise) in a supposedly civilised country. Yet still they fight for the right to bear arms and this incident will be passed off as 'an accident', sure its an accident of the most tragic kind, it was also entirely preventable. LINK Why should everyone there who owns guns responsibly be punished for one woman who doesn't put the safety on hers when its in her handbag ? It was entirely preventable by her taking responsibility for a deadly weapon in her bag to be kept safe

Posted by Erfolg on 31/12/2014 09:47:40: In my youth, the situation was that pay was very poor, during your intial training, requiring a lot of study, during this time my parents supported me. Then whereupon reaching 21 you faced another 5-10 years of climbing the salary scale. Then you faced the scramble up the corporate ladder. Paided employment has never been easy, although the past is often seen with a rosy glow. Now you have to get yourself in massive debt to further your education, then end up working in McDonalds on a zero hours contract after you finish because there are no jobs available

It sometimes takes a couple of business days for the petrol station, especially when you pay at the pump, to even process the payment, (like with a direct debit where the money actually leaves your account 3 days before it gets to the other account) so bearing in mind since Wednesday last week there were 2 bank holidays and a weekend, your payment probably still hasn`t been processed on Tesco`s end and presented to the Bank

Demon Tweeks do Samco Silicone hose meant for motorsport turbo charger connections, you can select any ID and its supplied in 10CM lengths or any multiple of 10CM if you increase the Quantity, so for say a 30CM length put the quantity to 3 etc HERE

For instance ive just bought some silicon hoses for my sons MX bike from the US on ebay MSN Money puts the exchange rate at - 1.6113 Paypal rate was actually - 1.5640 They`re making an extra nearly 5 cents on every Dollar !

It is a difference in exchange rate from HK and Paypal, HK prices are not live, they only update their rates a couple of times a year and as you know the Foreign exchange rate is constantly changing, Paypal always use a worse rate than the actual one as they then skim an extra profit off that too You are not actually buying from a UK warehouse and UK Laws / Regulations etc do not apply, you are buying from a Chinese computer, the Warehouse is just a postal location in this country they happened to forward some stuff from China to, to make it quicker to send out to your address

LINK Fits the bill ?

I`ve got the older version of this - **LINK** Its great for what I need, its quiet but powerful and comes with a variable humidistat so you set the RH you want it at and leave it do its own thing. If you don't connect it up to a permanent drain it fills the container about every 24 hours ( 10 L on mine I think ) so you know it does its job well.

Man up, I`d be grateful for a week to myself never mind a year ! lol

Drill the holes out to suit what you want ?

  Posted by Bob Cotsford on 03/10/2014 11:32:27: The easy answer in that situation - most insurance will cover you to drive a vehicle not belonging to you and not on hire, so you just agree with the seller that the point of sale is on completion of a successful test drive which is to your home. Up to that point the tax is still the responsibility of the seller and he is paid up for that month. If you were the seller, would you lie to the DVLA etc for someone you may never have met before they turned up at your house to buy your car though ? what happens if they have an accident or get a ticket for something on the way home ? you have no way of checking their insurance and its still your responsibility until the change of owner, letting someone drive your car without insurance is an offence, and for tickets they could just turn around and say see, it says there on the V5 I didn't buy the car until after, the points / fine isn't mine   And you`re both still paying the tax for a full month when you wont be using the vehicle for part of it Edited By Codename-John on 03/10/2014 17:27:18

Posted by PatMc on 02/10/2014 21:02:52: If you'd bought the car before Nov 1st you would have have had to arrange to insure the car before driving it. Now you will also have to arrange to tax it at the same time - no big deal AFAICS. You can buy 1 day insurance if you just wanted to drive the car home, as I did with my last car, it had tax on but as I was selling my van at the time I bought the car, drove it home and then stored it off road until I sold my van and swapped the insurance around properly ( couldn't afford to insure 2 vehicles separately ) With the new system, you would have to tax it for at least a month just to drive it home if you needed too, and if you don't and are caught then you face having your car seized and crushed if you don't pay the extortionate fine / towing fee. There is no grace period, you are liable for taxing the vehicle from the day you transfer ownership, if you don't pay it or declare SORN, an automatic fine is issued, £80 I last heard

Posted by avtur on 02/10/2014 05:50:08: Detection will only occur "if" the vehicle is seen on the road during that untaxed period, likely to be one or two weeks. Apparently the DVLA only have a dozen enforcement vehicles themselves (for the UK) so the chances of being spotted by them are quite remote. The more likely detection will arise from ANPR equipped police vehicles, I'm not convinced that the police will see taking action on a vehicle which is out of date on road tax by a a few days as a high priority item. Have you not noticed the extra little white Cameras being put up on routes in and out of towns, stuck to the side of lamp posts etc, I wonder what they might be for

Posted by Andy48 on 01/10/2014 20:23:15: Not a rip off at all. You get a refund for full unused months when you sell it or scrap it or it gets written off. Part of one month will be taxed twice, but apparently 60% of all car sales were sold without a valid tax disc. the new system is the rip off, you are not able to pass on any remaining tax if you sell your car, you have to cancel the tax and the buyer has to tax it immediately, as you can only purchase or refund whole months, the WHOLE of one month will be taxed twice for the same vehicle