Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I love the sound of Option C.....I bet an EPP wing filled with PU glue would be just about indestructable......I would absolutely hate doing it though.....horrendously messy I would think..... For anyone contemplating such a move then do please let us know how you get on (plus lots of pictures of you stuck to the cat etc...) but it might be worth pointing out that you can get PU glue from your local builders merchants.....£7 for 750ml here. Much cheaper than the branded Gorilla Glue. (They also do a 5 minute version which would be interesting......you could stick yourself to the work bench in 5 minutes instead of 30....) Lightweight filler (Spackle) is available here Again, much cheaper than Polycell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Steve I'm going for OPTION C I think, I like the idea of it being flexible, (particularly the way I land ) and yes I will do a build thread, unless someone beats me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conwy Soarer Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I think I agree Steve, I might try that on my Xit and then add colour with lightweight vinyl used for sign writing. Where did you find that info Steve it looks like a good resource. I might wait and see how you get on first - dont forget the rubber gloves, PU is a pain to get off if you get it on your skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted August 12, 2011 Author Share Posted August 12, 2011 I think spackling is overrated.For starters, on EPP, it flexes and soon cracks and comes loose under any covering that is applied....waste of time IMO. Ive done it on wings, and frankly I wouldnt bother again.The only time I spackle, is rigid foams like EPS, to fill panel lines, and scratches etc.Of course the whole spackling thing started in the US - and what do that lot know A clubmate has used the lam film, and reckons it is great ( apart from the compound curves of course ) and also agrees...forget the spackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Posted by Conwy Soarer on 12/08/2011 12:49:23:I think I agree Steve, I might try that on my Xit and then add colour with lightweight vinyl used for sign writing. Where did you find that info Steve it looks like a good resource. I might wait and see how you get on first - dont forget the rubber gloves, PU is a pain to get off if you get it on your skin. That exert came from the Ubercraft web site I think, theres a whole 9 pages about covering EPP wings. Thanks for the advice about using rubber gloves, I hadn't thought of that. Here is what it says about applying the glue, although I'm not going to go past item 5 to spackle and repeat the process. Option “C”: Polyurethane Glued: 1. Sand and shape the wing to the final desired shape, removing as much of the fuzz from the surface as possible. Don’t leave any loose particles on the surface. 2. In a disposable cup, thin about 3 parts Polyurethane glue (Gorilla brand works best) with about 2 parts lacquer thinner. Mix until you achieve the consistency of light maple syrup. 3. Pour the thinned glue evenly over the entire wing surface in a thin zig-zagging bead. Using a thin, short and wide brush spread the glue bead all over the wing. Use the brush bristles to press the glue into the pores of the foam as you are spreading it. This will take some time but make sure you don’t leave any excess glue on the surface and no area uncovered. 4. Once one surface of the wing is completely wet with glue leave it to dry. Depending on atmospheric conditions and the foam, some or all of the thinned glue you applied will foam. 5. After the glue has dried, depending on how much you applied and how well it foamed, you have some sanding to do. Remove by sanding, all of the glue above the surface. Stop sanding before you start seeing the white color of the EPP. EPP Surface Preparation Page 5 6/10/2011 6. Spackle the wing with lightweight spackle and sand it lightly when dry. 7. Repeat steps 2 thru 4. 8. After the glue has dried sand the surface to remove the high spots and then move to less coarse sandpaper (320 grit) to produce a smooth surface. 9. Examine the surface of the wing. If it is still too porous (you see a lot of tiny holes) and not as smooth as you want, you can repeat the process of applying more layers of thinned polyurethane glue. With each application the pores will get more clogged and more solid surface area is created for the covering to adhere to. Obviously, every time you apply the glue, the more weight is added to the wing (even thoug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (even though you are sanding most of it off) and you are doing a lot of sanding which will be tiring! The final result, however, is worth the extra work. 10. Lightly flooding the wing with CA glue cures the final polyurethane glue layer into a surface that can be sanded smoothly almost to a sheen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Phil May Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hi Guys Just a quick question this time. I'm getting on well with the re-covering of my Zagi, but, is the cross weave tape ok to use for the elervon hinges? It appears to be sticking like poo to a blanket . Thanks Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... ken anderson. Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 phil-i covered mine in the c/weave stuff and did the final hinge with the coloured stuff...do one side as a hinge and then bend it right over the opp way and make another hinge underneath...this will give you a strong/gap free join..... ken anderson ne...1 .... hinge dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Conwy Soarer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 We tend to cover the wing and elevons then hinge using the Staples version of Sellotape Crystal Clear tape, hinge top surface first then bend the elevon up until it touches the top surface of the wing to seal the lower hinge line. Top tip - when sticking the hinge tape on the top surface hold the elevon in the DOWN position this gives a nice free hinge line. Also just a heads up we buy our coloured tape from Staples - just over £10 for a pack of 6 different colours: COLOURED TAPE Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ian Jones Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Some good info there Jon , wish I'd known about Staples a few days ago . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Phil May Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Thanks for all the help, it's finished now, just got to check the balance and charge the battery. it is not 100% perfect, but a whole lot better than it was before. Before And now And the bottom Just got to find time now to fly it Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Wiltshire Flyer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Looking good Phil! And great to see you getting on well with the Fusion Ian! i have a second hand Wild Thing on it's way to me, can't wait to get my sweaty little digits on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Looks great Phil, looking forward to getting you up the Bwlch to fly it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Ian Jones Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Phil that will look great in the sky, betcha can't wait. My Fusion has been held up by circumstances beyond my control but should be getting more bits joined up tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hi all you Orme fliers . I shall be visiting the Orme on Friday and Saturday, 26th/27th August, (bank holiday weekend) to come and see what all the fuss is about. And if I still have a flyable plane on the Sunday, I may just stay on and go home on the Monday. Would be good to get together for a beer or 3 one evening too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Chris Bott - Moderator Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I wouldn't know Chris, I don't do BMFA Nats stuff. Ah well, more airspace for me then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Conwy Soarer Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Chris Bott on 15/08/2011 09:59:04: Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. I doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Just looked on the BMFA website and yes Chris, you are correct, the Nats is that weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Tim Mackey Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Steve Houghton 1 on 15/08/2011 09:48:23:Hi all you Orme fliers . I shall be visiting the Orme on Friday and Saturday, 26th/27th August, (bank holiday weekend) to come and see what all the fuss is about. And if I still have a flyable plane on the Sunday, I may just stay on and go home on the Monday. Would be good to get together for a beer or 3 one evening too. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Marty Ball Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Chris Bott on 15/08/2011 09:59:04:Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. The Nats or the Orme, the Nats or the Orme mmmmmmmm thats a hard one! , lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Tim Mackey Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 LOL - you can tell Chris doesnt do the orme eh Marty - see you this weekend ? - or is it later? Your DX7 will be available from later this week.Edited By Tim Mackey - Administrator on 15/08/2011 13:20:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Marty Ball Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The Orme should come with a health warning, Like "beyond here be conatant lift" , or "enter and loose your IC soul", it's sooooooooooo addictive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Phil May Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I am so new to sloping, but, his Sunday it is our clubs bbq day and to be honest I'm looking at xc weather and thinking - let it be too windy for i.c !!!! I want to fly my Zagi Oh it's addictive Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ah ha, Phils been bitten by the bug. XC shows Saturday as 10mph southerley, which equates to 15 - 20mph at the Bwlch. It also means flying the Back of Wrecker slope, which I haven't flown yet, so I WILL be there. As for Sunday? It's far to early to tell anyway and with it being a week away the forecast could change anyway. Had a cracking day at Mickey's yesterday Phil, and Roger brought along his new Stingray. What a beast of a plane that is! Absolutely incredible and weighing in at 5½kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... 2 dy David Ashby - Moderator pinned this topic Prev 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Next Page 18 of 50 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (even though you are sanding most of it off) and you are doing a lot of sanding which will be tiring! The final result, however, is worth the extra work. 10. Lightly flooding the wing with CA glue cures the final polyurethane glue layer into a surface that can be sanded smoothly almost to a sheen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil May Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hi Guys Just a quick question this time. I'm getting on well with the re-covering of my Zagi, but, is the cross weave tape ok to use for the elervon hinges? It appears to be sticking like poo to a blanket . Thanks Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 phil-i covered mine in the c/weave stuff and did the final hinge with the coloured stuff...do one side as a hinge and then bend it right over the opp way and make another hinge underneath...this will give you a strong/gap free join..... ken anderson ne...1 .... hinge dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conwy Soarer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 We tend to cover the wing and elevons then hinge using the Staples version of Sellotape Crystal Clear tape, hinge top surface first then bend the elevon up until it touches the top surface of the wing to seal the lower hinge line. Top tip - when sticking the hinge tape on the top surface hold the elevon in the DOWN position this gives a nice free hinge line. Also just a heads up we buy our coloured tape from Staples - just over £10 for a pack of 6 different colours: COLOURED TAPE Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Jones Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Some good info there Jon , wish I'd known about Staples a few days ago . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil May Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Thanks for all the help, it's finished now, just got to check the balance and charge the battery. it is not 100% perfect, but a whole lot better than it was before. Before And now And the bottom Just got to find time now to fly it Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Flyer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Looking good Phil! And great to see you getting on well with the Fusion Ian! i have a second hand Wild Thing on it's way to me, can't wait to get my sweaty little digits on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Looks great Phil, looking forward to getting you up the Bwlch to fly it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Jones Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Phil that will look great in the sky, betcha can't wait. My Fusion has been held up by circumstances beyond my control but should be getting more bits joined up tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hi all you Orme fliers . I shall be visiting the Orme on Friday and Saturday, 26th/27th August, (bank holiday weekend) to come and see what all the fuss is about. And if I still have a flyable plane on the Sunday, I may just stay on and go home on the Monday. Would be good to get together for a beer or 3 one evening too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I wouldn't know Chris, I don't do BMFA Nats stuff. Ah well, more airspace for me then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conwy Soarer Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Chris Bott on 15/08/2011 09:59:04: Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. I doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Just looked on the BMFA website and yes Chris, you are correct, the Nats is that weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Steve Houghton 1 on 15/08/2011 09:48:23:Hi all you Orme fliers . I shall be visiting the Orme on Friday and Saturday, 26th/27th August, (bank holiday weekend) to come and see what all the fuss is about. And if I still have a flyable plane on the Sunday, I may just stay on and go home on the Monday. Would be good to get together for a beer or 3 one evening too. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Ball Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Posted by Chris Bott on 15/08/2011 09:59:04:Steve isn't that BMFA Nats weekend? You may find one or two of the guys going there instead.. The Nats or the Orme, the Nats or the Orme mmmmmmmm thats a hard one! , lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 LOL - you can tell Chris doesnt do the orme eh Marty - see you this weekend ? - or is it later? Your DX7 will be available from later this week.Edited By Tim Mackey - Administrator on 15/08/2011 13:20:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Ball Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The Orme should come with a health warning, Like "beyond here be conatant lift" , or "enter and loose your IC soul", it's sooooooooooo addictive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil May Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I am so new to sloping, but, his Sunday it is our clubs bbq day and to be honest I'm looking at xc weather and thinking - let it be too windy for i.c !!!! I want to fly my Zagi Oh it's addictive Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ah ha, Phils been bitten by the bug. XC shows Saturday as 10mph southerley, which equates to 15 - 20mph at the Bwlch. It also means flying the Back of Wrecker slope, which I haven't flown yet, so I WILL be there. As for Sunday? It's far to early to tell anyway and with it being a week away the forecast could change anyway. Had a cracking day at Mickey's yesterday Phil, and Roger brought along his new Stingray. What a beast of a plane that is! Absolutely incredible and weighing in at 5½kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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