Wilco Wingco Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Still out there chaps. I just ordered a couple of these FAKES, didn't know they were. Looked them up on here and low and behold there they are. White output gear, open ended mountings. So I cancelled my payment and sent an e-mail to Fle Bay telling them they are selling fakes, will it do any good???. Thanks guys, from now on it's a real UK seller, local model shop, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Whybrow Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 WW, no link in your post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Winks Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Seems a minefield to me even the CE mark can be faked convincingly which kinda makes the requirement at shows for all equipment to be ce marked a total nonsense as for the copies/clones/fakes being not made to the same standards, can we be absolutely sure there not in every case or even in most cases, after all servo manufacture isn't rocket science and I've had genuine futaba servos (bought in the box with a tx ) fail 1st flight simply jittering around centre 3 servos bought 2 failed never used them since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Don't need a link. Just did "futaba servo" on ebay, and all the the 3003 listed are all fakes. So it's obvious, don't order from there or from an unknown source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Whybrow Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Wow, it's gone mad, almost every single 3003, or more likely, set of 4 are fakes! I noticed that dozens of different sellers in the far east are all using the same photos and listing details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 There are only a very few original ones on for sale. These are genuine Futaba 3003's That is what they should look like: **LINK** **LINK** **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie sawyer Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Thats mad....being from China and Singapore etc I would question them even arriving anyway. Learnt the hard way on that one. Don't touch these sellers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROY DAVIES 1 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Why have they got to be 3003s ? There are plenty of good reliable servos of similar power / spec etc. Just remember most of these so called copies have a one chip and surface mount technology board the old originals have multiple component boards. I have loads of Malaysia and china made servos and I have faith in them. You must remember the manufacturers aren't going to do a runner they want your return trade. Where do the UK sellers get them from then? What about the kits then, There was some proper rubbish made and sold in the UK way back and servos ? £12 to £16 for a kit with 22 or so components to build in. We are in a modellers heaven all we need is more spending money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 I don't like even Futaba 3003 originals anyway. As they are direct drive, rather than indirect drive - as on 148's, the have more forces on the motors - prompting a failure. Had loads of 3003 fail, on in flight on a ATS Mustang racer, luckily, was stuck slightly up, and only noticed it, when I couldn't flare on landing.Just stopped dead. The others either have died, or wave when used, and have no power, as the waving one you could move the surface, no resistance, it would go back, miss and wave until center. I don't use 3003's now full stop. 148's fine. Thee 3004 is the same - with bearings, but they only seem to copy the 3003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Wingco Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 More checking. Don't be fooled by "UK stock" etc as I was, thinking they must be the real deal. On further checking they were listed as location "Devon UK", but a delivery time of 14 days using Air Mail???. Then the payment was to YUAN SHU HUA 111 North Bridge Road #13-06 default, Peninsula Plaza 179098 SG Don't know of any place in Devon with that address?. So maybe there are no UK sellers just scam addresses in the UK. A further thought. If we had an accident with a model using these servos would the BMFA insurance pay out knowing they were fakes or would we, the pilot, face a massive personal injury case??. Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Jusr report them to eBay Wilco. You never know they might actually do something about them one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Wingco Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I reported them to E-Bay last night and the sellers are still up there. I contacted Paypal and have been told that I can't get my money back untill I receive the items and they are fake?. Then I can raise a dispute and they will get the money back???. My advice guys is don't go there for the sake of saving a few quid, support your local model shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 Under the ANO, if a person knowingly flies a model which is either unsafe, unairworthy or knowingly suspect quality items, and causes injury. In court, the person would always be under scrutiny, using conterfeit items and would lose, either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Whybrow Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Posted by Paul Marsh on 27/08/2014 09:10:25: I don't like even Futaba 3003 originals anyway. As they are direct drive, rather than indirect drive - as on 148's, the have more forces on the motors - prompting a failure. Not sure I'm with you Paul, 99.9% of servos have a gear train between the motor and the output shaft; indirect or direct refers to the potentiometer drive and the S3003 is indirect which, as you rightly state, is better, as it's not putting a load on the pot's bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilco Wingco Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The saga contnues. I have still not got my money back and e-bay seem to be as obstructive as the seller. They have been informed they are acting as an agent for a seller of FAKE goods but have neither returned my money or taken down the seller. I have had some good buts off e-bay but I will be using extream caution in future. Be warned their Money back giarantee is not without it's hoops to jump through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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