Matthew Lloyd Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Whilst looking for the next model, Al and I started making suggestions to each other as to what would make the perfect next model for us. After a number of emails, our discussion boiled down to defining the next model as the one with 'soul'. This comment initially made me laugh, but thing is I totally understood what was said. Some models just have it - others don't. Sometimes it's the looks, sometimes the performance - sometimes both. Our general consensus was that the Phase 6 very much has soul, whereas the nameless model on Ebay didn't. So - let's start a list! Classic designs, gliders you love owning and flying, and those with soul please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Leigh Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I wasn't even drunk! It comes from learning to fly full sized gliders, K13s, K7s, K8s and the Slingsby Capsten. Then it all went glass and a bit souless for me. I saw some really nicely put together soarers on a few web sites, but they just left me cold. The blizzard is one of them to be honest, but it's a means to an end. When I can fly properly and dont' think I'm going to stack it every landing, then I'm gettting something with soul. Just don't know what it is yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't know about the Blizzard Al - it does have a very purposeful stance, and looks like it means business. OK it's a thoroughly modern foamie, and only took a couple of evenings to put together, but it feels right in the hand, and I can't wait to try it out. It's beginning to develop a soul! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'd like to nominate Sean Banisters' Sechelle its one of my slope hacksand looks lovely in the air. Build from a kit all wood. loverly. Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Got a picture of that model, Andy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Here you go. Little chance of loosing it. Cica 1980 I think, this kit was in my loft for years. Been flying for about 4 years. Andy Edited By Andy Green on 18/03/2009 18:01:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alex Leigh Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well you could knock me down with a knobbly pineapple. I was googling for an image of the Slingsby Capstan (first model I - well my Dad ever built - in about ooooh 1980) when I found these two pictures of the original model. Took me back 25+ years that did. I can smell the foam in those wings. Probably not iconic but I do remember the joy when we finally got it off a very large edge up in Derbyshire. My dad had a share in a full size one, hence the reason for the model. Last thing I did with modelling until about a year ago. I'd love another one, but it'd be like your first car. Probably rubbish. Edited By Alex Leigh on 19/03/2009 09:10:27Edited By Alex Leigh on 19/03/2009 09:10:51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I think I've got the plan somewhere so no excuses Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Leigh Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Can you send me the building skills to go with it I remember shaping a great big lump of balsa for the nose. Took about two days! Anyway back to the point, I do like the Sechelle, lovely lines. And quite shockingly pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lubbock Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 you beat me to the Seychelle-very pretty-I have a half finished one somewhere-must get around to finishing it sometime! I also had an original all wood Algebra which was a great model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Roberts Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hey Andy, would luv a copy of the plan if you find it, I would be quite happy to pay for a copy. I am about to start redrawing the Brolga circa 1980, which my real estate agent has had in his possession since about that time, it was his first plane and he is getting back into the hobby, so he wants to build a new one from scratch. First to clean up the original and patch a few holes, then down to the plan shop and have it scanned - that costs me about $5.00 or about 20 shillings.......pretty cheap for a A1 drawing and sometimes they throw in a print for the price...... Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Jones Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Ridge Racer would be one, Phase 6, Middle Phase, Simprop Sagitta, Draco to name a few. Think I'm showing my age a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 It seems that if wood is used as a building material, this has some influence on whether a model has soul or not. Interesting. If anyone has pics of these gliders it would be great to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Lynock Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 This thread has arrived at just the time I was contemplating building a flock of Ravens, if you think I am mad have a look at http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~msd/gliders1.html. I have been in regular touch with Mike Smart the designer of these three birds and discussing different ideas like bumping up the size of the Raven 3m to a 4m, he said it would work fine so its one for the pot. I have the plans for the little 1m and the more complex 2m, the 3m is a real eye opener but may save that one for when we have finally moved house and live just down the A470 from the Brecons because it would be an excellent glider for the wide open spaces up there. I have also reduced the 3m plan to a 2m but with the gull wing and ailerons the Raven 2m doesnt have, should be interesting to find out how she flies, regards, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm liking these . That 2m certainly looks the biz. I'm guessing it's built-up wings for all three. A nice foam-core wing would work with the 2m. Matt - see if you can turn up some pics for this thread. That Ridge Racer certainly qualifies as 'one with soul'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Lynock Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 All three were designed in the early 80's but just dont look dated, they are very individual designs and not one of them is heavier than 9 oz wing loading unless you add ballast, the 2m does have ballast tubes in the wings for when required. The Ravens are built from Balsa and spruce with all-moving tailplanes rather than just elevators, the 3m can be built with gull wing and ailerons or polyhedral without or straight wing with or without dihedral or ailerons, its up to you and your requirements, All of the plans have root and tip section for making foam wings as the plans have been updated, with mini servos and smaller radio gear there is bags of space in the fuse and less weight to lug around, regards, Terry Edited By Terence Lynock on 19/03/2009 23:47:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terence Lynock Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 The gull wing Raven can only be built with ailerons as rudder/elevator just doesnt have enough authority according to its designer, he used a servo in the fuse and snakes originally but now we have mini servos he recommends those. Having been clobbered once I think Jartie would think twice about taking on a big nasty black thing with bent wings looking like it had just cruised out of the Adams Family hanger, regards, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tim Mackey Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 ha ha ( email sent BTW ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Lynock Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Have a go at it Phil! the plan is only seven quid with postage and it can use up all those bits of spare Balsa and Spruce you have cluttering up the corners, we can start a Ravenery or whatever it is called (well they call it a rookery for rooks dont they?), best regards, Terry P.S just cut the fuse side panels for Rav 1m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 How's our list looking then, guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Roberts Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Bird of Time, Metrick, Gentle Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Lynock Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Fafnir, Minimoa and Raven 3m. regards, Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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