Nicad batteries

[Erfolg]

As I have previously said, it does not matter what I think. If Nicads are banned, they are banned.

Democracy should entail a discussion with the population as a whole, publicising what is going opr intended  to happen. This idea that having published an intention in some obscure magazine or other equally narrowly focused media, is not what a democratic government does. Nor does it rely on quietly informing of an intention, years previous to the intended event and then rely on the fog of time for people. to forget. That is not democracy.

Erfolg 

[Myron Beaumont]

Erfolg

I think we all know what "Democracy" entails .At least the Greeks got it right before it got modified And they and the Romans lost their hold on "civilisation "  Sorry == Off thread AGAIN

[Erfolg]

Myron

I apolagies for my rant.

It is difficult to remain sane, or is it insane?

I am waiting for the return to a balanced society, or I will have to join the exedus from the UK, to a broadly balanced society/country, where global warming is happening.

Erfolg

[Pete Rieden]

Erfolg wrote (see)

Democracy should entail a discussion with the population as a whole, publicising what is going opr intended  to happen. This idea that having published an intention in some obscure magazine or other equally narrowly focused media, is not what a democratic government does.

Well I don't know where you've been hiding, but the intention to ban NiCads was been well and widely publicised for years. It was even discussed in RCM&E. It surprises me that ANYONE wasn't aware it was coming.

 PDR

[Pete Rieden]

Myron Beaumont wrote (see)

Erfolg

I think we all know what "Democracy" entails .At least the Greeks got it right before it got modified

You might want to look up just what ancient greek "democracy" looked like.  I don;t think you'd recognise it in an good sense or the word.

 PDR

[Erfolg]

Peter

Looked up Democracy. You are right we are not a democracy!

We are now, a socialist state.

As for the Greeks ,seems the Athenians, although not perfect (limited voting rights), seemed to do better, in that they did not see a constant loss of freedoms we are all suffering at present.

Erfolg

[Pete Rieden]

Erfolg wrote (see)

Peter

Looked up Democracy. You are right we are not a democracy!

We are now, a socialist state.

As for the Greeks ,seems the Athenians, although not perfect (limited voting rights), seemed to do better, in that they did not see a constant loss of freedoms we are all suffering at present.

Erfolg

I'd love to see the contorted logic that turned this into a "socialist" state. As for the Athenians, well remember that only 10% of the population were entitled to vote anyway (adult males who had completed military service). Athens was also a slave economy, predicated on the massive exploitation of a slave class who had no freedoms and few rights at all. But even if we ignore this, the concept of a "direct"deomocracy rather than a "representative" democracy (with seperate executive) simply wouldn't work in the modern world.

I don't know about you, but I simply don't have the time to participate in a thousand debates on everything from defense policy to the price of crisps in schools. I certainly don't have the time to read up sufficiently to have an informed opinion on all these subjects, and I happen to believe in the quaint concept that uninformed opinions should be given no weight - I prefer to give weight to opnions from those who actually know what they're talking about.

I also believe in the concept of a seperate executive that is responsible for actually doing and delivering things. If we had direct democracy then all decisions would be subject to daily change, and no-one would actually be responsible for the minor detail that nothing ever got finished.

So I suggest you are looking at things through rather rose-tinted spectacles...

 PDR

[Jim Stock2]

I think we have gone off the subject here.

My concern is that I have just bought a Ni-cad charger for my Tx and Rx batteries, will this still work on Ni-Mh? I know it won't work on Li-po.

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[Jim Stock2]

Thanks Eric,  The one I have bought says it is compatable with both, I'm not so sure about my JR of Futaba ones though. I will have to check the web sites.

[Pete Rieden]

Eric Bray wrote (see)

Some will, some won't, Jim. You will have to study the destructions, and see what it says. The two types have different charging requirements. NiCd like constant current, and NimH like constant voltage!

Err...no they don't! Both types need constant-current charging, but if you're using a "delta peak" charger they have different voltage settings for the "peak". Some chargers have specific settings for NiMH, but those which don't may well miss the peak on a NiMH pack - especially at very low currents.

But if your charger is a standard "wall wart" type that does a 14-hour charge at C/10 then it will do both just as effectively.

What charger is it?

PDR

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[A.A. Barry]

WELL, after reading all the previous,I will add my 50c worth, I am with you Eric, with limited knowlegde. unlike earlier comment, I have used lead solder for years ,in the radiator bussines, modeling and so on, no medicale problems, (59), as for our hobby, turning to the electric side, the useage of nimhs, waste of time, lipo's yea, if I aquire a radio set with nimhs in, its straight in the bin,with them, put trusty nicads in it's place. If Aus. has taken on this pathetic over use of govt. control again, and not put the onus back where it belongs,with the people USING the product, I am unaware. Too many "dogooders" in there nice comfy chairs, think that THEY know what is RIGHT for everybody, most of them know sweet..........all, of course, this is my opinoin, not the true concensus of ALL the modelling faternity..  And on the point about lead acid batteryies, the reason they arenot , it is simple, nothing else has been invened yet that will stand there requiements. Looking for "solar batterys"???????  yep Lead/acid,Cheers  long live the nicad,   ps I sell ya some if ya like.                                      Barry

[Myron Beaumont]

Good on yuh ( I presume you are in Aussie  ?) Now I'm getting more confused than ever  You say nimh's Quote "Waste of time ".I  have read that some folks run out of AMPS when they need 'em despite their so called capacity .In other words I'm thinking that they might last longer than nicads ie more milliamp hours but dont deliver the goods when needed ? I too have gone loopy ( sorry  I meant  lipo ) for an  Rx  power source No worries Blue ! Charge off the old 12 V system in my dual lead /acid power plant s in my camper van. Just thinking how much of our natural resources I've used up sending out this message world -wide.

[A.A. Barry]

TA,yes i am an Aussie,in Aus"waste of time""... bopught a park flyer with nimehs with 2 bats,,,neither 1 lasted anymore than 3mins, in the bin they wentafter charging and recylcing  (Swallow mk 2 delux) .. Rubbish. Refitted out with Lipo 15/20 mins. 

[wlfk]

WELL, after reading all the previous,I will add my 50c worth, I am with you Eric, with limited knowlegde. unlike earlier comment, I have used lead solder for years ,in the radiator bussines, modeling and so on, no medicale problems, (59),

You don't and can't know that it has caused you no medical problems.

First of all, 59 is not an old age - in my book most people start to be old at about age 80. Secondly, acute lead poisoning is quite an event - with features like partial paralysis and visible lead deposits in your gums. You're right to think that you would probably know if you had this. But lesser degrees of lead poisoning aren't so obvious. Some of them can be detected only if you do medical tests such as looking at your blood cells under a microscope. Others - such as reduced IQ or feeling tired and lethargic all the time - are impossible to tell for individuals but are probably fairly substantial.

So have you looked at your blood under a microscope? Have you been screened for problems such as high blood pressure and been cleared on all counts. Can you prove that you have as much energy and vitality as you would have if you had not been exposed to lead? The last point is unprovable...

with limited knowlegde.

Apparently Winston Churchill said that five minutes with the average voter was the best argument he knew against Democracy.

Personally I don't know enough about most issues - such as what sort of power stations we need to build or whether bailing out Northern Rock was a good idea - in order to make sensible decisions. But I know considerably more than most people - and enough to know that if we truly had a 'Democracy' where everybody voted on every little thing it would probably be an absolute disaster.

There will be people who have made the study of the impact of NiCd batteries on the environment their life's work. Likewise for power stations and economic theory. These people hopefully know - to a far greater extent than we laypersons do - what is 'known', what is 'strongly suspected' and what is absolute bosh, or bluster by special interest groups. What I want from a politician is for him or her to study their arguments carefully and then come to a decision on what to do about them, whilst balancing harm/good/risk for their constituents. This is the point where values and wider interests come in, which at the end of the day is what we vote for.

Though I actually see voting more as a guard against despots - if you are in a 'democracy' you can vote people out of government when they get too big for their boots.

[Bert]

'in my book most people start to be old at about age 80'

Thanks for that, cheered me up no end

[Myron Beaumont]

Brilliant WLFK  Regarding democracy

Trouble is that we all rely on the media to enable us to make decisions (knowledge as we're informed of -so to speak ! .) Trouble seems to be that we're not well informed with the actual truth from the "suits "as I call them ,about reality  What difference does one vote make -I ask ?``````````````/.Simply because I happen to differenciate between what is reality  ie living life to the full as against how much money I can make & to have to live in a miserable place meantime to achieve that aim with no reason other than to have that money  & "just to have it " Sorry ! I realise I'm off thread AGAIN but what I'm trying to say  is that  I think I invented being a Grumpy old man a while back when I realised that ALL I want to do is build & fly model aeroplanes -Just like I did as a young lad with even less money than now before I spent most of my life getting through it to get where I am NOW . I've done lots & lots of things that most "lottery " type peeps think they Might do or just dream of .I think there's nothing better than creating something .

PS I love the Roulette wheel !  Its bought me all I ever wanted & NO I have my own technique (Ex statistition / Performance/ probability /performance engineer/RR --Before you ask!

Must get off my soap box & think about how to be a proper capitalist ? republican  

By the way - I didn't get where I am (think about it ! ) 

[A.A. Barry]

Dear oh Dear, What a lot of rubbish, DO you really think that at 80 you will be able to do, let alone see ( carrot juice is good) what you want to build , Oh yes ,you say, I will , but that "wish list" of aircraft's that you intended one day to start, will never happen,if does it will be the last one. If you live in other end of the "income scale', have your Manor, sev's, that will make it a lot easier, the other end, is a retirment village, no room to spare for "smelly models", no shed, to old to still drive, son is out with his kids. Most of your fyling mates have simple deceises , carnt remember if they are still in the club, what day it is, um where did i put that transmiiter, Not a bad thing after all, at 80, and still YOUNG, and all of this cause in 2008 WE BANNED NICADS and SOLDER. the only thing I want to know about "lead posioning, is, as long as Dr. Winchester has nothing to do with it.................. Bert, your input made me chuckle, and Erfolg, at least I have taken the "heat" (no pun intended.... much) of you, so I will now leave the "tussel" up to you, "bless you my son, for they know not what they do". extract from "Over the Clouds" by Dr Mammooss, Phd in Gull wings.......... Barry

[Myron Beaumont]

Barry

Are you referring to my rubbish or the previous thread contribution from Bert ? If its me you're referring to -why cant you just accept the fact that you're grumpy too

[A.A. Barry]

NO Myron, wlfk.. enjoy ye of course I am alittle grumpy , and IT is Our right, can you remember your grandad, I can he was a little grumpy too

[Myron Beaumont]

Cheers blue - Thought I'd upset y'all .Not like me

[A.A. Barry]

NA bloke, nothing like a bit of to and fro............here is something my father told me. when i was very young, " Boy", watch the old mare, if she starts to lift her leg, go down and bring her into the "skinny race" , cause if she falls over, at her age, she will never get up again",  never happened ........ but that's life 

[Joe Roper]

NiMi packs already seem to be getting unavailable I've been trying to get some 9.6V 1500mH packs for my easy glider no one has any, Steve Webbs tried to order some from Multiplex but they did'nt have any , Looking at the various retailers on the webb hardly any lists NiMi packs or cells at all Puffin list some but are always out of stock when I try to order any. How to other modelers cope ? a 2s pack is only 4.7V so I would be very down on power and a 3s pack is too thick to fit in the battery compartment and would probably be too much for the motor anyway. I have several other models that use 8.4V packs so this is going to be a big problem for me.

[Bruce Richards]

Joe, have you tried these ? I have used them as have other in my club and we have never had any proplems. I have not used them as main power packs just for TX and Rx pack. I think all of their power packs are too big for what you want but the Tx packs may work for you.