Ernie Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi scale guys, It's back to the shed for the winter, to finish the fokker E111 eindecker..Anyone got any ideas where I could get cockpit details ( authentic WW1 ones, not the american replica)ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ashby - Moderator Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Looks like no takers there Ernie - is it a case doing it from scratch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thanks David, It would be good to get it right..There is a replica in the USA, but it's nothing like the WW1 examples. I think the problem is that they are all different, so I suppose just about anything goes.I'm a wee bit disappointed with scale matters on the forum. I saw it as an exciting and inovative means for scale nuts to exchange information, like my fokker question. I'm sure the knowledge is out there, and I know that modellers are a helpful bunch. Maybe many people do not fully appreciate the value of a forum like thisernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ashby - Moderator Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I guess the full-size were all hand -made Ernie so you could arhe away any slight differences? A lot of people look yet rarely comment, it's a nice forum section to have though - appreciate you keeping things together here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 ErnieSorry but I can't find any pictures/drawings of the cockpit of an Eindecker (unlike almost every other WW1 type!) - but I dont think it had very much in it - compass, ignition switch(s), fuel tap etc. Of course you could go down to the London Science Museum as they have the ONLY known original example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks Simon, I'll follow that up on the Science Museum Website....... I have got some pix of it, It's uncovered, and hanging from the ceiling, but I can't see much of the cockpit. I think you are right re, contents, also, I don't think there was a lot of standardisationernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 ErnieThe only cockpit detail I can find is from a flight sim. I don't know how accurate it really is but it looks about right for one of the later models with an altimeter and rev counter. I understand the Oberursel (like most rotaries) had both air valve (throttle) and fuel (mixture) levers. It was up to the pilot to set a working mixture strength for any given throttle setting. Blipping the ingnition was not popular with rotaries as the fuel would continue to flow risking a fire in the cowling as soon as the engine fired again although some had a rotary ignition switch that cut out 3,5 or 7 cylinders. This meant there would always some working cylinders to ignite the unburnt fuel before it collected in any quantity! The Eindecker was the first aircraft to use a stick mounted firing button.I hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Hi Simon, and thanks a lot for thatI have a drawing that is similar. the left hand gauge is RPM..There is a fuel gauge on the fuselage to the left of the spandau..If you are interested in this sort of thing, I can post a copy on the forumernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Myron Beaumont Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Eric What a memory you have after all those years ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Myron Beaumont Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Am not into amnesiacs (never drink coffee either) -Bad for the memory but I dont recall why ! forgotten why I;m repllying to all these threads now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ernie Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Please, oh sages, can we talk about my wee fokker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 We all have our problems dont you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Mine's my fokker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I'm a bit lost for words now -without being banned from the forum . Don't start talking about old things like nostralgia for goodness sake .otherwise Eric might wake up just as he's getting ready for hibernation in his shed/ refuge/ bolt hole /hangar ( like our hedgehog who lives in a mess o' smit & loves it )from an old sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 merci vieux sauge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve biplane Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ernie,Good pics of Eindecker cockpits are rare. The best I've seen are in Windsock Datafile 15. Fuel gauge is halfway recessed into the top decking behind the engine with an streamline aluminium shield over the front.The compass is usually recessed into the top starboard wing, between first and second rib, just in front of the cockpit opening.What looks to be the dashboard is the rear of the aluminium box for collecting spent cartridges - it has a large, hinged, pull-down flap in it.To the left of this box there is, bolted to a fuselage upright, top : the ignition switch middle : rev counter, probably the most important instrument in a WW1 fighter because if you over-revved the engine the interrupter gear lost synchronisation and you shot your own propellor off - not recommended!lower : the carburetter controlOn the right-hand-side of the cartridge box was the distribution panel, fixed to an upright, with one lever for selecting fuel tank and another for selecting the source of fuel tank air pressure (hand pump for starting and switch to engine driven pump once the engine is going?). Above these on this panel is an oil pulseometer indicating oil flow. A couple of instruments are also seen either on or beside this panel (air and oil pressure?)Below the panel is a brass syringe plunger type air pump (used to pressurise the fuel tank at engine start).Hope this helps,Steve.See also :- Flying Scale Models - Sept 2003and Cross & Cockade Vol 12, No 1 (1981) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted November 6, 2008 Author Share Posted November 6, 2008 Thanks Steve, Your written description is spot on..I know this because, I've got Windsock 15..I'd hoped to get more detail, like they give for the SE5 for example..I'll try the other two..You must have a great archiveernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve biplane Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 Eric, everytime I've seen someone start a rotary (at Old Warden) the engine prime is done by the mechanic by squirting petrol into the exhaust ports as they open up when the engine is being turned over by hand. I think you will find the air pressure pump is a common feature on most aeroplanes of WW1 vintage.Ernie The Cross and Cockade I mentioned has a few photos of the Science Museum example but it looks like it's been gutted of instruments at some point in the past.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ernie Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hi Eric, Simon, and Steve, Here it is, right in the middle of the picernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 ErnieIt is an air pump used to pressurise the main tank behind the pilot to feed the gravity tank just behind the engine. An engine driven air pump took over once the engine was running hence the air pressure selector valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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