Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Seeing as it will take me a while and i am spending my last pennies on it, i thought i would add moderate scale detail. I was talking about it in another thread when someone suggested rib tapes.I did a quick google search about them and the first hit i went on, it mentioned the lysander, coincidence or what!!! Apparently on the prototype some of the wing fabric came off and thats why they started using it. Just wondering if the rib tapes were on the top and bottom. I am hoping to go to old warden and get some nice hi quality pictures of the lizzie because i intend to do the shuttleworth's serial number one. Got the CNC pack on its way, hoping to get started soon! While i'm here, any other scale details apart from the ladder and fuel tank that would make it look nicer? probably be a while till i need to think about it but would be nice to know of what i envisage doing. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Heres my rivet test piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hi peter The fabric covering on older open structure wings is often (always?) fixed to the ribs by stitching. There is a great sequence in the film Murphies War, showing the hero (Peter O'Tool) stitching fabric to a Grumman Duck wing. The rib tapes are the used to protect the stitching, both top and bottom On some prototypes, the edges are frayed, and on some, cut with a serrated edge The frayed ones are easy, just tear a strip of solartex, and iron it on,,I've seen the serrated ones advertised in the press from time to time, or you could devise a method of making them. maybe pinking scissors If you want to be a real anorak, you should show the little bumps under the tapes Re other details, why not make it really dirty (they did land in fields etc) maybe with some repairs ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The way I fly it would soon look dirty and definitely havs some repairs so mine will be very realisticEdited By Stephen Grigg on 07/10/2009 17:28:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve biplane Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Ernie's post got me asking myself "when did the change over from frayed to serrated edge rib tapes occur"? This got me looking in some books with the following result. AP1107, the RAF's manual for the rigging of aircraft (1931) shows only frayed edge rib tapes. The rigging, maintenance and inspection of aircraft. by W Speller. 1935, says use serrated or frayed edge wing tapes.It surprised me that the change over was so late, I thought that frayed edges were WW1 only.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 I have got some zig zag scissors in a pencil case somewhere, the model is 1/9th scale and let me put it this way, imagine its a zig zag waveform, the peak to peak is 2mm and the wave length is 5mm, should be alright. I Might do a test wing and try it out. Any more ideas for scale features? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doug Ireland Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Rest easy Phil, I've used pinking shears as well. As I remember they were a lot larger and heavier than normal scissors. My mother used to make costumes for the local school panto when I was a kit so that was where I first came across them. ps, I've just bought the pack for the TN Lysander too!Edited By Doug Ireland on 08/10/2009 01:35:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doug Ireland Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Damn, I usually proof-read before I hit the 'post' button. Hate it when that happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klippy Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Hi Peter, also waiting for mine! Perhaps working lights on the wheel spats? Ultra bright Leds will do the job I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Got the kit this morning, a little dismay when i saw the £10 postage price! All the parts look to be in good condition, went over them writing the part numbers on, Tomorrow gonna go to 'generic DIY store' to get some MDF and cork floor tiles for a building board for the wings, don't think the fuse will need a building board, just a flat surface to weight it down to. Definately gonna fit the optional wash out to give peace of mind! First job is to glue BO1 to BO2 and BO3 to BO4, will do that later, but now i have to do my GCSE english homework Might look into the landing lights, might prove difficult because they go on the spat seam where they are joined together. If you get some cheap torches then nick the chrome bulb surrond you could epoxy them to the back then put some clear plastic on the front. Turns out the delivery is just outsourced from myhobbystore.com to SLEC, had i know this, i would have liked it if i could have got some of the other parts for it like the spinner, the humungous 3.5" wheels!!! and the SLEC maxi tank, but oh well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 hi guys Can't find a lysander pic, this shows the tapes, with the bumps of the stitching underneath..Its a morane saulnier criquet (the french version of the storch) from around the same time as the lysander ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Also, do be careful with the build up of weight with a lot of detail...It just creeps up bit by bit. and before you know it, youve got a tiger by the tail ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Would it be on the stringered tail of the lysander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Peter, get back to your homework Timbo and David why has my pic of the morane gone pear shaped? look at that swastika ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Got BO5 glued onto one of the sides, drying at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy watson Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I was chatting with a club mate about the lysander and scale features a few days ago. Apparantly there are lights in the wheel spats- if you look at my stuka thread there is a nice multiplex switching unit that can be used to turn these on/off. Rib tapes are available in a range of sizes from Mick Reeves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Posted by Ernie on 08/10/2009 16:00:37:Peter, get back to your homework Timbo and David why has my pic of the morane gone pear shaped? look at that swastika ernie Its fine when clicked for full size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 Oh, just a side note, about the article on the lysander in the rcme, it is no longer the only flying condition lysander in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Peter, Can you tell us a little bit about about the other one Too bad there isn't a GCSE about warbirds ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 Well it is stationed at a museum in canada, it flew for the first time in june 2009, it was made out of a couple of written off lysanders found around the world Edited By Peter Savage on 18/10/2009 14:31:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Great stuff Peter, What about that colour scheme? or do you fancy the mean all black one? For me, this is what scale modelling is all about...Digging about to find information, and making it into a working model Also, you asked about detail....Well that big glasshouse is asking for a furnished office ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyS Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Out of interest - how do you check the CG of a full size aircraft? It seems if you're going to find two derelict halves of the same plane, codge it all together with Sellotape , CA , chewing gum, hope or whatever then paint it up, you'd want to be reasonably sure it was all balanced out... and it's a mite big to balance on your fingertips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 On aircraft they weight all the parts before constructing the prototype and move it around, you can put two prongs under the wings and lift it up! It tends not to matter as much with full size aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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