More glue............................

[Steve W-O]

Don't want to hijack the other thread.

 

 

In the last week, i have tried three glues from Hobbyking

 

 

Their 30 minute epoxy is just what I have been looking for, plenty of setup and clamping time, but doesn't take all night to set.

 

Their thick CA is fantastic, I don't spend more time unblocking the nozzle that gluing the model, as I did with others.

 

 

But the most surprising one is the "extra thin" foam glue. (the one on their site with chinese writing on the tube) It is the best thing since sliced bread for depron, especially when making multilayer parts like a fuselage where you need to glue a large area to make the lamination, this is fantastic.  It also holds the servos firmly in place, they don't come off the first time you operate the servo.

 

 

I bought them to make up weight in orders, but I like them so much, putting in an order just for the glues.

[StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives]

Yes....but looking at the packaging its mostly if not all illegal to be sold in europe.......

 

So if they import into EEC they are breaking the law, so any sent from the `german warehouse,......` is illegal , illegal to use, own, sell or buy...... any posted in to the EEC needs to meet the regulations as well.

 

So , its illegal to sell it and the moderators of sites such as this should remove any mention of the company till they stop breaking the law

 

Typical imported rubbish,

 

all imports from outside eec should be checked for legality before letting them in, and all should be taxed

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[ken anderson.]

well there we go steve.......if as stated above it's illegal to be sold here or in europe......i think you'll be eating your christmas dinner behind bar's........surely there is a mistake been made some where........if it is illegal....why?....

 

 ken anderson    ne..1.

[StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives]

Theres a few reasons some (maybe all?) of the products are illegal, mainly the packaging, look just at one item and clearly it can be seen that the warnings are incomplete, from the pictures on the net you can clearly see 

 

For one example ( just one.... as im not listing them all so they can fix them, complying with the labeling legislation cost us over 400k in the last year so they can spend some money,  im not doing it all!!!)

 

 the epoxy, hobbyking brand, irritant symbol on the front of pack is white with black cross its not a legal mark in the eec, it sounds stupid....but doing it correctly can cost more , even getting the exact proportions of the cross incorrect you can be fined.

 

You have to remember that not everyone knows how dangerous something is, pets / children could get it if the marks are not done correctly, thats why theres a std to it

 

another product i have here, a white tube with chinese writing on isnt exactly safe in a country where people ( well most) dont read the language

 

 

 

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[Tony Smith 7]

I wonder if this is the same stuff Ultra thin Foam Glue from a UK supplier.  

 

Just speaking personally, I wouldn't be bothered if the warnings symbols didn't comply.    I take my own responsibility for the materials that I handle.

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[StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives]

Yes.....dont get me wrong, im all for killing myself with toxic concoctions that i make for myself  ( but the law still says we cant do it HSE covers home use of chemicals for personal use.... ) 

 

But for something to be sold it should be legal as not everyone knows how dangerous something is and they often buy it never using it before

 

If everyone else based in this country and the EEC has to comply, costing them money , the costs over here are higher ,the law says imports need to meet UK regulations ,  theres enough cost saving can be done in china...they could just try and make legal items ...

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Posted by StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives on 22/11/2010 19:15:12:

Yes.....dont get me wrong, im all for killing myself with toxic concoctions that i make for myself  ( but the law still says we cant do it HSE covers home use of chemicals for personal use.... ) 

 

 I'm not clear whether you think these Hobby King products are in fact unsafe, or whether you just think that the warning labels are not correct or complete.

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[StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives]

Posted by Tony Smith 7 on 22/11/2010 20:16:25:
Posted by StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives on 22/11/2010 19:15:12:

Yes.....dont get me wrong, im all for killing myself with toxic concoctions that i make for myself  ( but the law still says we cant do it HSE covers home use of chemicals for personal use.... ) 

 

 I'm not clear whether you think these Hobby King products are in fact unsafe, or whether you just think that the warning labels are not correct or complete.

 

 

That is the problem , being illegaly labeled , you would never know what is in them, there are many things that we can no longer use in products that have been removed from sale in recent years due to real health concerns,

 

i know for a fact that the labeling in some cases is incorrect and although i have no reason for commenting at exactly what is in the formula of these particular adhesives having not actualy tested them , my experience of products that i have been sent as samples from china and other countrys accross the far east is that many look identical, most have totaly different composition in aparently identical packaging , a lot of them are not legal for sale in the EEC due to the composition ( toluene, trichloroethane,  mercury etc )

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[StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives]

Posted by Phil Wood on 22/11/2010 20:33:49:

We might be missing an opportunity here..........StarLoc FiveStar Adhesives will you please tell what adhesives you specialise in?.......we'll forgive you if you poison us.....just get the damn models to stick together.

 

Pol.

 

 

Myself , I specialise in the formulation and manufacture of engineering adhesives ( mainly epoxys, cyanoacrylates, acrylics ( anaerobics , UV cure and SGA methacrylates))  , but we also manufacture most other types in limited ranges such as the PVAs, cellulosic and  rubber based contact cements etc

[Ultymate]

Life is carcinogenic leave it alone  

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[Steve W-O]

Posted by Phil Wood on 22/11/2010 20:33:49:

.just get the damn models to stick together.

 

Pol.

 

 

That is my interest in glue, to stick things together, and to do it as well and cheaply as possible. 

 

I would rather have Chinese writing I can't read on glue that works, than something that complies with EU "rules" that doesn't stick.  I tried a sample of some paper "stick glue" that was sent to me the other day, I stuck a strip of paper onto another with it, and watched it slowly peel off!!!!  For all it's fancy hype and claims, what use is that?

 

I see that Poundland has continued to sell CA and epoxy from the east for years, it works well, and is well priced.

 

 

As people have said, we know there are risks, just as there are with many other things legally purchased in the UK. Most the risks are very small, but we still treat things with care.

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[Martin Harris - Moderator]

I use ordinary meths - seems to work very well...

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[Martin Harris - Moderator]

I've used it for rapid repairs of cowlings and spats where I've laminated glass cloth by thinning 5 minute epoxy with a small amount of meths. I have to admit I've never done any comparative strength tests.

 

Southern Modelcraft supply (or supplied) epoxy thinners which was a fetching shade of pink but I know no more about its formulation. There was a warning about not over thinning on the bottle or the strength would be compromised.

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[Steve W-O]

Posted by Phil Wood on 23/11/2010 00:28:42:

Errr....to repeat the question....Do you by any chance sell a suitable thinner for epoxy?

 

We know this is possible because some of us oldies used to use epoxy paint.......

I know that chemically we can use a number of solvents to act as an inhibitor to the curing process, so we can mix our two part paint and it will stay Ok until the solvent evaporates.

 

The availability of the solvent is the problem..........do you have it or sell it?

 

Polyphilla.

 

 

 Morning parrot food,   (old I know, but it comes to mind each time I see your signature)

 

Would this help, or this?

 

I used to use a product called Glatex 8 for fuelproofing etc., the only things I can find here seem to be in 5l quantities, or smaller quantities at 5L prices!