terry westrop Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Hello again Mike, an interesting story indeed. A great shame we lose names such as these. Am I correct; Chris was our only R/C Aerobatic World Champ? Was it 1960? Your Upset wing appears to have more sweepback, rather like Altair design. I do hope you'll finish this model. Will it be in the deep Yellow of the original? The Hi wing has a plug-in stab then? Did Chris build this also? Did he install the wing servos outboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Terry, Chris was the world RC champ in 1958 with his original Uproar. I think this was confirmed in the BMFA magazine last year. I have a scan somewhere of the article. Chris built all the wings etc in the latter photographs. The two Uproar wings were built by Chris with outboard servos but I will have to look again at the Upset 2 wings to see what Chris had in mind for the servos. As for using a Merco 61 engine in your Upset 2, in the Uproar he had last built Chris had/has an OS 46 with a tuned pipe and separate mixture and throttle controls. The OS gives plenty enough power and the tuned pipe makes the engine very quiet at high level. Mike Edited By Mike Etheridge 1 on 08/04/2013 00:12:41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 The Uproar in my loft: Having acquired the Uproar a few years ago one of my colleagues found the RCM&E magazine in his loft. He also flew the Uproar at Bartons point club and was very impressed. MJE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Some interesting pictures there Mike. I presume the latter outboard servo installations were done much more recently. Bellcranks were never very efficient fro R/C aeros. I'd love to use an OS engine, would be a much better bet for reliable performance I'm certain. But the Merco is period & I just want to give it a try. If I get desperate I know I could fit a tuned muffler. Did you find that article on R/C world champs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ashby - Moderator Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Posted by Martyn K on 12/03/2013 10:01:37: Happy memories. I used to work with Clive Weller when I was an apprentice engineer at British Airways. Is he still around? Martyn Edited By Martyn K on 12/03/2013 10:01:49 He was last year when he sold me an airframe, I popped across to pick it up from his house. Great fella, we had a good natter. Retired of course but he was still flying models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 I would love to see him again. I don't think that he would remember me though, I was only an apprentice and passing through most of the engineering services during the course of my training. However, I was in awe of him.. Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Great to know Clive is still with us. He was extremely enthusiastic about aerobatics & a prolific builder of very nice aircraft, superbly finished. I've made a start on the Loaded Dice 30 EP David! Am taking pic's, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Terry, I have been away for a couple of days on a trout fishing competition at Grafham Water. As for the article on RC world championships,I cannot remember where it came from,but certainly I was given the 1996 RCM&E magazine by a flying club member who found the magazine in his loft and was amazed to discover that he had flown the Uproar featured. The 1996 updated Uproar re-design by CO included outboard servos. I got two Merco engines from CO's collection,an as new 49 which I have fitted in a KK Falcon and a clapped out 61 which is boxed and has CO'S address in Richmond written inside the box. Both engines have the first sections of tuned pipes that fit directly to the crank-cases. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 An Angling enthusiast I see! Done a lot of that myself Mike, but no fly fishing nor anything competitive. How'd you do? Grafham Water's a nice place to be anyhow. I've no mag's before 1960, so I've no info for those times. Be nice to know which year Chris made number 1 in World aeros. Sounds like the manifolds were made specifically for the Merco. Any idea which pipe he may have used with that motor? My Upset II '2013' is ready in airframe,just gotta think up a colour scheme. CO's yellow example that made RCM&E front cover in April '68 looked rather nice,but I've never been a fan of that as base colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Terry, it was very cold on Grafham water last Thursday. One forecast suggested the wind would blow South Westerly but it remained North Easterly all day and the sun just squinted through as our fishing ended. It was not a serious competition you were limited to eight fish and there were prizes for the biggest fish caught,the heaviest catch etc. I was paired with a former school PE teacher now 74 who coaches fly fishing and has written books on Grafham water. He also has done mountaineering and has been a top competition dingy sailor. I don't think he was too impressed with my ancient fishing tackle which is just as old as some of my RC planes---30 years plus. I did catch four fish weighing 91/2 lbs total and lost four others. They do fight very hard at Grafham water. My boat colleague caught seven plus three or four he returned to the water and lost about seven. One chap caught twenty five and hence had to return seventeen! I sat next to my boat colleague's mates in the pub after the fishing contest. One had been an RC modeller and another had a pilot's licence.They told me about wonderful trips to the Caribbean where they had been 'Bone fishing'! I will have a look at the Merco tuned pipe sections and somewhere I have some photos, but I would not be surprised if Just Engines' could help out? i will also look out for the 1958 article which outlines CO's world championship win. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It looks like Chris was the UK RC champion in 1958 so I am not sure whether he was World champion?---see the obituary. Photo of the Merco 49 plus manifold---Just Engines seem to do a good range of manifolds and tuned pipes. MJE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Bet there was a fair ripple on that water Mike! I don't have time to go fishing these days, maybe in the future for me. I do have some gear left, but would need to acquire lots more if I were to start up again. Some of my models are 30 years old too! Some need to be finished even. Are you going to run the 49? I am not able to read The article on CO, hasn't copied well. According to the bmfa The only UK Gold medal in R/C aeros was in 1960 it would seem. Could that have been CO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Etheridge 1 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Terry, There was a fair ripple on Grafham Water so all the boats travelled to the North Eastern corner to keep out of the wind which I have known to be far worse. Also the fish seemed to have congregated in the North Eastern corner where they appear to have been for several months. Last year we caught fish in the South West corner but nobody has fished there so far this season due to the almost constant North East winds that have also been screwing up the weather and of course model flying. I have used the Merco 49 in a Keil Kraft Falcon but to date although it starts easily, it keeps cutting out despite adjustments made by of a number of club members and the changing of glow-plugs etc. It may of course improve once the engine is properly run-in. I have not flown the Uproar very often and have been waiting for my flying to improve, but due to lack of practise my flying skills seem to have got worse! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 This weather has not provided us with the best start to any flying or fishing season Mike! I suspect many of us are way out of practise @ present! That was not the Falcon I was thinking of. This example looks very 'vintage' & one I don't remember. I'd anticiapted the US kit, shoulder wing. They did Falcon & Falcon 56. I always wanted one when I first started, but they were rather expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 This was the Goldberg Falcon.. Regards Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Spot on Martyn, Goldberg! Are they still going? I still really like the look of this model. A friend had the 56 back in '77 when I certainly could not afford it. Flew brill & great for long grass sites. Easy to build too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hi Terry Now owned by Great Planes AFAICS and the classic models relaunched as foamies. <sigh> Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Wow, that was fast Martyn! So the Falcoln is available, but as all foam?? But it really didn't need to be any easier to put together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Here is the link - you will probably recognise many famous designs: Great Planes The Falcon plan is available from Outerzone Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Michie Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Wow Martyn................. CG Falcon 56 (Mk2 an' all!) T'was my first rc model, still have a soft spot for that one. Was absolutely viceless and a great trainer, even at the 5000ft altitudes (AND 25-30deg C) in SA. Had it for several years & sold on to finance my second/third model. They don't make them like that any more............... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Did they make a Senior Falcon also....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share Posted April 21, 2013 There certainly was.. Goldberg discontinued Regards Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Posted by David Ashby - RCME on 18/03/2013 11:01:42: Posted by terry westrop on 16/03/2013 20:41:48: Well Andrew, I've no idea if RCM&E would want the design, however, I must build & prove it first. That'll take a bit more time yet. Canopies may be available if we can locate the masters within Punctilio Mouldings, get them to cast a few. I think you can be certain we would Terry, Edited By David Ashby - RCME on 18/03/2013 11:02:19 Well, I've been a little busy of late making good use of my 20 year old balsa stock. Not only is there a repro of Chris Olsen's 1968 Upset II almost ready, but a completely new design..... It's 45" span & 47" length. Aeolian Outrunner Brushless C3542 KV1250 Evolution. 12x6 prop Any guesses what this might be........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew767 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 A new Loaded Dice Terry?? Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry westrop Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 That was rapid Andrew! As the doctor ordered, the latest LD. It's designed to be capable of both precision aeros & 3D. I'll post details of AUW when the model is finished. But it is very light & far more durable than the material generally used in ARTF types I've encountered. So in producing this little addition I have proved it can be done. The canopy was cut down from an old Loaded dice 40 I had left over. As mentioned previously, I hope that Punctilio mouldings will produce more from their masters if demand materialises. I've taken all the usual construction pictures should they be needed in the future. Edited By terry westrop on 05/05/2013 22:51:51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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