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The part I cut wrong was the doubler which on the side view shows it ending at the rear of F1 and on the plan at the front edge. The latter is what I strongly suspect as being the correct place but I went for the first - at the rear so I now have to cut two more doublers
Since it is a fairly low aspect ration wing with a partial span Dbox wing perhaps balsa wood be OK (pun inteneded)


Posted by Martyn K on 10/02/2012 23:01:37
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I am not sure which parts you have cut that may be wrong.
Regarding the wings - go for spruce spars...
Martyn

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Having almost completed my Slik fly I have now started building the Bar-Fli in earnest. I have cut most of the wing ribs and some fuselage formers. Currently I am getting the doublers (which had to be recut) added to the fuselage sides which are shown here being cut to shape.

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Its an interesting thought but a retro build with a model that had a 10cc engine but fitted with a .46 just doesn't seem to equate. Guess I will stick with the 10cc engine.

The Firefly is a model I have completely forgot. Does anyone do the plans? I have plans for the KwiK-Fli II and III which I am tempted but this looks a possible alternative IF I can get plans. Certainly would be nice to have a look at.

Posted by jeff2wings on 19/02/2012 20:28:33:

It depends on the engine you intend to use , the Enya 60- 11 TV ,ST 60 ,Merco of that era only weighed 12-13 oz without silencer and made only about .9-1.0 bhp so a O.S. 46 AX or 55AX will make a good stand-in but with more poke !

How about this one next !!

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It was published in April 1972 RCM&E as RC1127 (X) you will need to be good with a penknife as it has a “ interesting” construction of the fuselage .I agree with putting an suitable engine in these classic models , my mustfire has a Merco 61 in it , as will my swinger II , dactyl and vertigo ! (when they get built LOL !!)

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I agree - I am also looking forward to this - it also looks like a kwik fli 3 may be joining the fold so we will have a full house. I used to think that the Bar Fli was ugly sister of the two (fli) machines in vogue at the time. Time is a great corrector of views though
Martyn

THE BAR-FLI WAS THE UGLY SISTER. HMM
Beauty must be in the eye of the beholder as I always thought it the best. Its the simplicity of the design and built for the purpose and at the end a really beautiful model. Certainly in comparison with todays modern aerobatic things !

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I now have the firewall mounted as well as all the fuz underside sheeting done. The engine mount is fitted as well. Now trying to do some of the rear top of the fuz but am waiting for some 1/2" sheet to be delivered. I orderd some 3/4" sheet from Al's Models which will be used for the cockpit and forward of the cockpit sheeting. I will hollow the block out which is different to the slick-fli which I just used 3/16" sheet but with this bulbous cockpit I think this may be easier.

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It aint big, thats for sure. Its got 15mm added on its tail moment to compensate for lighter engine too!
I cant believe this has supposed to have 1" under each tip for dihedral. Can anyone confirm?
I would have guessed at about an inch under ONE tip, but thats a guess. I want to be sure before the halfs are joined which is where I am at present.

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The design calls for 1" balsa block tips but I have kept the tips light so far. There is only one servo located centrally and the sheeting will not be 100% over the surface. It wouldn't be too easy to access the bellcranks either if that were done. I am contemplating a 1/8" sheet and gussets but the dissadvantage that out weighs the weight benefit is that the tips are far less durable. Block or sheet is the question?

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Dihedral seems a case of personal preference. I've not built or flown a Bar-Fli, but the Altair that I'm building suggests using anywhere between 1 1/4 and 2 1/2" per side depending on how you want it to fly. A lot of tapered wings were built with the top surface flat, so that would have given 1/2-1" under each side. I think a lot of it is down to what looks right.

As for the tips, I like soft balsa block with a thin ply core for knock resistance, hollowed out on one tip to help balance the exhaust. The weight really is negligeable compared to built up ones.

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Apparently a Merco 61 would have weighed in at 12.7oz and my SC52 is 19oz. I'm glad to have found out as it would ended up decidedly nose heavy. Not sure about using any kind of "quick finish" now like Oracover as it would make maters worse. Solartex at minimum but perhaps this is goind to be a forced Nylon and dope job !

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