SkippyUK Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Some real piloting skills **Here** **Here** Well done guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brfc7 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Glad I wasn't on any of them flights baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The last one in the second batch is almost a text book lesson on how to do it! Let the plane "have its head" with the wind all the way down, then last instant a bootful of rudder and a touch of opposite aileron to line the wheels up with the direction of travel. Easy to say of course - a different matter when you have 300 tons of aeroplane to deal with! Its all in the timing - the natural instinct is to put the correction in too early. The problem with that is you can't hold it without sinking at an alarming rate. This is becuase although you look straight then (and ineed you are straight relative to the runway) because of the wind direction you're now actually sideslipping. When you see the aircraft coming in on finals, and they look sideways on, a lot people describe that as sideslipping - but its not. In that that state the plane is actually flying with the wind and there is very little if any sideslip. Its only when you try to "straighten up" (effectively yawing out of wind) that you start the big sideslipping. This leads to massively increased drag, a drop in air speed, loss of lift and hence the high rate of sink. So the trick is to delay the correction to as late as possible, then the loss of airspeed partially doesn't have enough time to kick in and even when it does you are only a couple feet off the ground so it doesn't matter - in fact its actually beneficial in getting you down faster and firmer! Its just the same for us! So time to get out and practise those cross wind landings! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Privett Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Have a look at the A380 crosswind trials at Keflavik airport in Reykjavik, Iceland. Unfortunately the commentary is in Icelandic so I haven't a clue what they're saying! But Keflavik is used for these trials as it's a windy place with two long runways at 90 degrees to each other (so the "wrong" runway can be used for the trials) and not too much "real" traffic to get in the way. Also similar tests for the Boeing 787 - also at Keflavik Edited By John Privett on 16/12/2012 21:41:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garbo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 cant help thinking Keflavik's runway was built in the wrong place Actually the wing flex on the Boing is incredible Edited By Garbo on 17/12/2012 08:40:19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Where would you like it to be built then? Shanghai? Peckham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunnyFlyer Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 OMG! I had a few shaky landings at Glasgow whilst working up there last year - but nothing like these. They actually look like our landings rather than the smooth approaches we associate with large full size stuff. Respect to the pilots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 On the second 787 take off there is something attached to the top of fin. As it flaps about all over the place it hard to imagine its any sort of indicator device. Having looked at the video again it is actually there all the time. Edited By Simon Chaddock on 17/12/2012 14:24:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I think its a "tell-tale" to indicate the direction of the air velocity relative to the aircraft. Either that, or its the pilot's lucky rabbit's foot! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 BEB Yes I expect that what it is. You can just see it is cone trailed some distance behind and is stable once flight is established but certainly shows how turbulent the airflow is in the final stages of take off and landing. In such an airflow I ams surprised the rudder has any effect at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Tarling Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The cone you see flapping around is most probably a drogue to give a true static air pressure which is used to check calibration of the instruments. It's mounted there in order to be in clean airflow, so I'm not sure why it flaps around like it does - it ought to stabilise at higher airspeeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David perry 1 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I fly A320/21 now and x-wind landings are interesting in case of the fly by wire. If you apply the rudder at about twenty feet GENTLY the automatics prevent roll so all you see is a gentle swing of the nose. Lovely. Cross wind landings are always a challenge but always a great pleasure in any aeroplane though, model or full size. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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