john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Posted by David Davis on 27/03/2013 07:07:33: Building from plans really isn't that difficult. There must be some "Ancient Modeller" in your club who can show you the ropes. problem is the only club i'm in is a helicopter club , for my trex 600 , and everytime i mention "planks" i get a funny look , something like this ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Richard Wood Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Good point from DD. Trainers generally have quite simple lines & many parts - formers etc are squares or rectangles & quite easily marked out & made. Marking out more complex shapes - fuse sides etc isn't really too difficult. Veneered foam wing panels can be professionally made - there are one or two companies around who can make a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cymaz Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 If they are still in stock and you want to get and artf for your first model, ( I think that would be the way to go personally...whilst learning to fly you can do a build at the same time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Davis Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Building from plans isn't all that challenging John. First you need a board which will take ordinary dress makers' pins; I use pinboard glued to a chipboard base, other people use plasterboard. Cover the plan in transparent plastic and pin down the longerons. Glue the uprights into position with slow setting glue like aliphatic or PVA and build the second side directly over the first. In recent years I've adopted the practice of covering the first side in greasproof paper so that both sides don't stick together but in the past I've simply separated the two sides with a bread knife once the glue had thoroughly dried. You will have both a plan and an elevation view of the fuselage so it should be possible to plot the size and position of any formers, place them into position once the glue has dried on the fuselage sides, join at the tail, make sure everything is straight and add the horizontals. You've got a fuselage! As for the wing ribs, transfer the shape of the ribs to a piece of thin ply either by photocopying the plan or by using carbon paper. Make two templates, sandwich balsa rectangles of the correct thickness between both templates, cut, plane and sand to shape and you've got a ribset. Tail surfaces are easy peasy that's why many American kits start with the construction of the tail. Don't fancy cutting out wing ribs? Firms like DB and Belair Models will off ribsets, profiles and plan-packs for a wide variety of models and Bill Kits will provide you with a foam wing. Now you only have to choose the model you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Smalley Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Thunder Tiger Cessna 177 Cardinal NO NO NO NO NO NO No NO.... and NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Posted by Lee Smalley on 27/03/2013 12:32:45: Thunder Tiger Cessna 177 Cardinal NO NO NO NO NO NO No NO.... and NO would you care to expand a bit please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 so it seems the thunder tiger cessna 177 cardinal is out then , one less on my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 thanks for the info everyone , and thanks to david for his explanation on plan building , i'm somewhat in a bit of a dilemma , i want to get back flying asap , so thge ARTF route is looking more and more tempting , as cymaz says i can do a build while i'm re-learning with the ARTF. Or i can continue my restoration of the flair puppeteer , and use that after i've become comfortable with the ARTF trainer , then move onto the wildcard 3d which i have stowed away All this while i'm replacing bits i smash on the trex 600 , and blade 450 so it still boils down to the best 60 trainer , i thought the thunder tiger cessna was going to be it , but i just don't know now after reading some of the comments above , has anyone got any experience flying the thunder tiger 60 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Davis Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 As mentioned above, I've never flown the Thunder Tiger 60 Trainer, I've never even seen one but I have flown the 40 sized version and it's a sweety; I'd give it 9 out of 10. The only drawback is that it has a flat bottomed wing section so it can be a bit less easy to manage in a wind than a trainer with a semi symmetrical section like the Tutor 40 or the Boomerang, but if you're a helicopter pilot John, you should be alright. I expect that the 60 sized model will be just as easy to fly as it's smaller brother. Generally speaking I'm impressed with Thunder Tiger products. I have three of their four stroke engines, including a 91 four stroke in the "works" Barn Door Wing Senior Telemaster, pictured below and I donated a perfectly sound GP42 engine to my club so that it could be used on one of our club trainers. It makes sense to buy an ARTF at this time of the year and to get on with repairing the Puppeteer. This winter is not going to last for ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 not to sure on the " helicopter pilot "bit david , i'm still in the early stages of keeping a decent hover going , and if the wind gets under that disc (rotors) strange things can eminate , normally a crash haha , again guys i'm impressed with the help and support i'm getting on here , and i really appreciate it , i think i'll go with the thunder tiger 60 , and if its crap i'll blame you david just kidding , i'll wait maybe until tomorrow though in case someone else has flown the thunder tiger 60 , and may want to put there experiences down . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Ah well thats the thunder tiger 60 out as well , because it seems it can't be bought in this country anymore , or not from what i can see , so it looks as though i'm back to square one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 what about this with a .60 in **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 the black horse sedona apparentley requires anything from a .46 to a .55 , so could i not use the irvine .60 and keep it throttled back on the radio ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john melia 1 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 i just phone www.rcmodelcentre and asked the guy , and he said it depends on how fast you want it to fly ? but that it would be possible to throttle it back , any ideas ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 You just have remember that if you open the taps it will go round like a scolded cat. If you pull it around too much at WOT then the wings might surrender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Green Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Have you looked at the Telemaster Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Steve Webb has the Thunder Tiger 60 Trainer listed on his website. Have you checked with him? Oh, and Andy, though the Senior Telemaster will fly well on a 61 two-stroke, I regret that Hobby-Lobby will no longer send me any kits and deal with all enquiries centrally. I wouldn't mind but I didn't even owe them any money when they pulled the plug! Might be able to find the odd plan though. Edited By David Davis on 27/03/2013 15:03:04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Right then, LETS THROW A SPANNER IN THE WORKS If you want a large trainer like plane John try this .........only kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Cymaz, that's not as ridiculous as it might seem, the Senior Telemaster ARTF costs $350 ex works and it won't be available till May. Of course John would have to pay shipping costs and VAT at 20% on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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