Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 started a discussion on plane and equipment possibilities instead of the newbie topic . Will be getting a sim when my laptop fixed . Have been looking at the recomded surpliers on here and came across this type of bird ... **LINK** What are people's opinions with the stability control ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Also where has people found cheapest place for a spektrum dx6 or 9 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Posted by Matthew Read on 07/01/2016 09:59:41: started a discussion on plane and equipment possibilities instead of the newbie topic . Will be getting a sim when my laptop fixed . Have been looking at the recomded surpliers on here and came across this type of bird ... **LINK** What are people's opinions with the stability control ? Re the HobbyZone Sport Cub with SAFE Technology BNF shown in your link there are two threads on here with a bit of discussion on that. Just do a search for "Sport Cub" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The stabilised models can be helpful but be aware that a model like that will struggle in anything other than flat calm conditions. I flew an eflite apprentice with the stabilisation on and it was awful, in the wind it couldnt cope at all and i found it very unnerving that i could hold all of the controls over and nothing happened and the software overrode my commands. In this condition you would learn nothing useful so it was best turned down to the next setting where it made little difference to the performance of the model. Models with stabilisation are also not permitted for use when taking the BMFA A or B tests irrespective of how ineffective it may or may not be. I have taught people to fly for over 15 years and while somewhat old school i still maintain that being taught at a club with a 40 size trainer, either ic or electric powered is the best way to go. If you would rather go it alone then try not to buy something all in one box as they tend to have a very limited upgrade potential and you will need to new transmitter/batteries etc as soon as you move on to the next model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would get the Funcub, love flying mine. It flys slow, flys fast, flys stunts, 4max does a good set up and it's not too difficult to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 What if took the stability reciver out and put a standard type in ? Looked into a funcub but how much ! Price a bit steep for a trainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Another few possibilities **LINK** **LINK** **LINK** I think would be better if was to learn the traditional way with no stability control to learn the skills needed in a situation instead of just flicking a switch . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Posted by Matthew Read on 07/01/2016 11:16:36: I think would be better if was to learn the traditional way with no stability control to learn the skills needed in a situation instead of just flicking a switch . You've answered yourself I think that those stability toys are ok for some very specific models, but I don't think it's a good idea to learn with them. On the other hand, it's true that there are some gadgets out there that allow you control on one or some surfaces, while the "toy" looks after the rest. In any case, I'd rather the traditional way, with a buddy cable (I learnt without it, btw, using the traditional system of passing the radio to the instructor when in panic...) In terms of the best trainer, such thing does not exists, but I would dismiss anything below 53-56" span and 1.6-2 kg weight (and if you could afford something above 70", much better. Out of the three options in your last post, I would take the Chapter One, Bear in mind that you will have to build it (it's an RCM&E plan), but if your plan is to start with the sim, you can build it in parallel, and develop two skills at the same time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks for input avc. What would you surgest to start with any models that pop into your head that are that size ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D 8 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I have noticed in our club we have a number of flyers who have learned with Bixlers,Easystars,Funcubs,ect. However it seems that those flyers are then reluctant to move on to larger more conventional models. Has anyone else noticed this? Of the foam type trainers I think the multiplex Mentor is a better type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would prefer a balsa type of plane ideally to be more conventional type and with a bit of weight for when winds pick up ... All I keep finding on trainers in foam types mainly . Just to recap what looking for in a trainer ... Balsa wood construction , electric powered , wingspan around 70" , easy to fly but not outgrow too quickly while learning a few stunts etc . Is this fesable specs for a trainer and my 1st plane as would like to eventually be flying warbirds or bi planes Edited By Matthew Read on 07/01/2016 12:32:49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I started on a Wot trainer, it is pretty quick with a Irvine 40. After 15mins of flying I still have half a tank of fuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would look at the E-Pioneer as apart from the wingspan it meets all your criteria Lowe power train (around 500W) to start with, then later on increase the power for more adventure (either up the battery cell count or re-motor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'm only going on wingspan sizes as mentioned above by avc. I guess more stable in air ? I am open to any surgestions not just ones I have posted . Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Matthew, as you correctly say, a 70" will be more stable in flight, but anything between 56 and 70 will be ok. If you want something around the 70", easy to build (as long as you want build it) and easy to fly, the first name that comes to my mind is Telemaster. Have a look to this thread, I think that David Davis can provide with copies of the 72". It was originally designed for glow but it has to be dead easy to cover to electric (I guess, I'm not into the amps too much...). The E-pionner is also a good option, as Dave suggested, and there are plenty out there in the range of 50-60 inches, which are excellent options as well. My first trainer was a 59" 3 channel, with a .15 glow, and after the first attempt on my own, and the subsequence four or five months of "recovery", it flew really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Or, if you like something bigger, you can try this Edited By AVC on 07/01/2016 13:21:06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 What's the span of the 2nd link ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Looking for a kit to build , plans look a bit daunting to start with where none of parts are cut out . Is the pioneer a kit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 95 inches, or 2.4 meters. But the power requirement is quite low for the size (light weigh, flat bottom wing,...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 What about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 No, the E-Pionner is not a kit, is an ARF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Great thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Mathew: Starting with a plan or a kit, means its going to be a fair while before you are in a position to fly, and with any self build there is a risk that it doesn't fly well or even at all.... Better IMO to start with an ARF so you know the plane flies and that the motor set up is tried and tested, so once the plane is trimmed out by an experienced pilot you are starting from the best platform - while you are learning to fly you can be building as well (god knows with the British Weather you will have time!) The other advantage of a ARF is that there is a small amount of work to do to prepare it, for an experienced person an E-Pioneer should take about 90 mins to set up, so allow yourself 3 or 4 hours and read the instructions! But in that assembly time you will see how hinges are set, clevis and horns are laid out and how servos can be mounted etc etc - all of which will stand you in good stead for self builds If you do go for a E-Pioneer I can give you a good power train set up for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 It's certainly looking favourite at the minute , just need to know about what motors esc etc and extra bits will need and why choose them other other items Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattb5m Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Found one thread on here about the pioneer but it there any build threads or more info ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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