Ron Gray Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Very strange, my app shows this under 'Devices', note that the car is set to only charge to 80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Maybe Ron can record a video for you Tim and post it on Uboob, it would pay for itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 The schedule has appeared now. It seems everything is VERY slow. Oh well. Ron, are you saying that Octopus thinks you want to charge to 100% (as the screenshot says) but your car will override that and stop the charge at 80%? If so, any issues with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Yes, you can set the charge limit in the Octopus app but I have it set in the car app to only charge to 80%. The car's limits will override Octopus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 The daily schedules can take a while to arrive but they are usually in place by 10 - 11am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Ron Gray said: Yes, you can set the charge limit in the Octopus app but I have it set in the car app to only charge to 80%. The car's limits will override Octopus. Understood. Is there any particular reason why you do that rather than set it to 80% in the Octopus app? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I am still waiting for the Zappi IO integration to go live "proper", then I think I will move to Intelligent. We will lose out a bit on export, but have much lower cost home battery and car charging. I'm not sure it will make a major difference to our bills, but it should be more convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Tim Kearsley said: Understood. Is there any particular reason why you do that rather than set it to 80% in the Octopus app? Not really, when I first used it I set the limit in the Octopus app then changed it to make sure that it worked based on the car app’s settings. I haven’t changed it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just to clear up on a points I raised a couple of weeks back and have now had the answer back from Octopus. The low rate applies from 11.30 - 05.30 and is for anything in the house / EV. The scheduled low rate times throughout the day are for EV charging only, normal house use will be charged at normal rate during those times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Ron Gray said: Just to clear up on a points I raised a couple of weeks back and have now had the answer back from Octopus. The low rate applies from 11.30 - 05.30 and is for anything in the house / EV. The scheduled low rate times throughout the day are for EV charging only, normal house use will be charged at normal rate during those times. How do they know what you are using during those times? It all goes through the sane meter doesn't it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDD15 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Tim Kearsley said: How do they know what you are using during those times? It all goes through the sane meter doesn't it?! They're talking to either the car or the charger, and they know how much has gone into the car either from the car or charger. Any extra and that will get charged at the "normal rate" at that time. I've just switched to IO myself this past fortnight and so far so good. It just feels a bit odd effectively putting Octopus in charge! Its a bit like saying to your chauffeur "have the car ready for me at 8am tomorrow"! 😃😃😃 Cheers idd Edited November 13, 2023 by IDD15 spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The Octopus app showing the amount of leccy I put into the car last night and doesn’t include the solar battery charge or solar assisted heat pump usage Which matches what the MyEnergi app has recorded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Ron Gray said: Just to clear up on a points I raised a couple of weeks back and have now had the answer back from Octopus. The low rate applies from 11.30 - 05.30 and is for anything in the house / EV. The scheduled low rate times throughout the day are for EV charging only, normal house use will be charged at normal rate during those times. Not according to my last bill, everything in the car charging period, usually 5pm for us in Oct is at the lower rate, when comparing the bill breakdown to the Ohme stats. What Octopus are saying is that you only get the cheap rate while the car is smart charging outside the fixed period. Last month we gained circa 40kwh at the low rate due to plugging in at 5pm and getting a charging slot while the oven and dishwasher were on. Maybe this will change in future. BTW since getting our Mini I haven't put any fuel in my ICE estate since end of August, my wife now refers to this as the aeroplane car...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 This is the actual reply to my question to Octopus (I will be checking my bill tomorrow to make 100% sure!) Thank you for reaching out to us. When your smart schedule is active, only the electricity used for charging your EV during the specified times will be charged at the low rate. If your EV is plugged in but not actively charging because it is already fully charged, the electricity consumed during that time will be charged at the standard rate. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask. Kind regards, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) Yep, thats as I understanding it, if the car is activelly charging all electricity in that period is at the low rate. But the reply from Octopus can be read the other way. Edited November 14, 2023 by Frank Skilbeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 It seems we have some ambiguity then over how Octopus charge for electricity used during smart-charging slots outside the 6-hour window. There are many on the Tesla Motors Club forum who think, like Frank, that ALL electricity used during these slots is charged at the low rate. On a separate point, Frank, I don't know where you are located geographically but I'm very surprised that Octopus is allocating low rate slots at what I would have thought were peak times during the early evening. Is it a regular occurrence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Tim, in West Gloucester and yes everytime we plug in we get an immediate slot, about every 3 days, not a high mileage driver but the Mini only has a small battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Thanks Frank, how intriguing! You would imagine that around that 1700 - 1900 slot would be a peak time, with people returning from home and cooking meals etc. Still, you would assume Octopus knows best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The reason I raised it with Octopus was because I was getting scheduled low rate time slots of 20 hours per day and I couldn't believe that I could, in effect, run my house on leccy costing me 7.5p per kWh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just had my schedule for today, all day is at low rate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 As a newcomer to this tariff I'm struggling to understand all aspects of it. As I see it, you tell the Octopus app how much charge you want and when you want it by. So how does Octopus ever calculate that you need 20 hours to charge your car? I'm assuming you're using a 7kW charger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 But is 12pm noon or midnight?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDD15 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Tim Kearsley said: But is 12pm noon or midnight?! Convention is 12pm noon, 12am midnight. idd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tim Kearsley said: As a newcomer to this tariff I'm struggling to understand all aspects of it. As I see it, you tell the Octopus app how much charge you want and when you want it by. So how does Octopus ever calculate that you need 20 hours to charge your car? I'm assuming you're using a 7kW charger? It doesn't, all it is telling me is that there is a low rate time slot during which it can charge the EV, it doesn't mean that it needs the 20 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, IDD15 said: Convention is 12pm noon, 12am midnight. idd Yes, I misread the schedule, at the moment there is a circa 3 hour time slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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