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Another possibility is the acid catalysed finishes used in the furniture industry. Tuffcote used to be one of these, at at very high price because it was sold to us. I've never used them, but I can't see any reason why any fuel we use will attack them. And are much cheaper, so wastage is not too much of an issue. LAS Aerospace do a glue for ceconite, it's like clearcote, but thicker, used wet. Not used it myself, but I have an acquired part built airframe covered with ceconite and glue, and the covering is certainly there to stay

PS, Diesel motors smell fine, before or after. Glow engines stink, before and after, but are so simple to use. Jury is out on petrol, very complicated things.

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I have been using polyester dress lining ( about £2 /running meter either 1 or 1.5 M wide.) using Impex Hi tack glue as an alternative to balsaloc. Comes in £3 handy squeeze bottle with a thin spout. Apply a thin trail and smooth flat with fingers and let dry. position lining over and use covering iron to activate glue, stretching at same time. Not as easy as solartex but miles cheaper and plenty of colours/designs from dress material shops.

google impex hi tack for online availabilty but may also be available at local dress materials shops.

Finished with 2/3 coats 50/50 dope/thinners for electric models - glows need fuel proofing.

Depending on size of model I have also used doped chiffon over mylar - both applied with impex, giving a very light but strong almost translucent covering for vintage look. The mylar reduces the amount of dope needed and also provides an airtight covering. See my 72" span Vagabond as an example

John

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Edited By John Laird on 17/11/2018 18:08:53

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Posted by supertigrefan on 17/11/2018 18:21:00:

I've just covered a trainer in nylon and water based varnish, it's the first time I've used nylon and would like to do so again. I'm interested in how you get a sharp finish at the cut edges? I have 'furry' edges which I have improved with a film iron.

In ye olde days I used to run some un-thinned dope along the furry edges, leave it to harden - 24 hours at least- then sand it off with fresh medium to fine wet & dry paper (used dry) on a sanding block.
I think the same method should work OK with WBV but it wold probably need about double the time to harden before sanding.

I've now done some covering with tissue over laminating film using both dope & WBV. I used tissue because I wanted to retain the vintage appearance & laminating film to make it puncture proof over the open structure. One of the advantages is that, because of the underlying film, the tissue doesn't need as much dope (or varnish) for a satisfactory finish.
At some time in the near future I intend re-building a very old 6ft+ span vintage model I was given. It will be covered first with laminating film then probably with nylon. I expect that, as it did with tissue, the film will reduce the amount of dope required.

 

 

Edited By PatMc on 17/11/2018 22:13:33

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Good tip about dressmaker glue. Ordered from amazon, about half price of "Covergrip". I have used pva in the past it is only moderately heat sensitive compared with specialist product. Thinned contact adhesive also works to a degree but Orastick is better for plastic film overlaps. It's a little too grippy for framework prep.
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Posted by alan p on 17/11/2018 23:08:14:

Simple question does oratex need a separate application of adhesive to the airframe, or is it already coated to the covering and just needs heat activation. Missing solartex alreadycrook

Simple answer, no it is practically identical to Solartex apart from the price.

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Edited By Stearman65 on 18/11/2018 07:45:30

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Having stripped off the old tissue covering and rebuilt wing tips I used pale yellow Dylan on parachute silk for the main covering, doped on. With hindsight I should have used heat sensitive glue on the undercambered side as shrinking kept pulling this away. Coloured decor is red dyed silk. Darker band is by adding red oil paint to dope, then doping silk onto glass sheet, then slicing a strip with scalpel and straight edge, before applying to surface with more dope. Patient work but so much more satisfying than plastic alternatives and it's light and translucent. Fuselage treated likewise.

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Posted by Don Fry on 17/11/2018 18:42:23:

John, the gold original IMPEX, or the silver thinner version. Seems to be two products. And what's it like, water based or petroleum smelly?

Don,

I use the gold original - not tried the thinner version. No smell.

Ronaldo

that looks like its the same but the impex has a convenient spout for controlling the amount used

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Looking on Ebay, laminating film comes in many different thicknesses, widths and lengths, and a roll can cost quite a lot, even if it's cheap per sq yard.

What's a good thickness and width to buy for starters?

Is the dope used non-shrinking, or shrinking, and where can it be bought by the gallon? I've had cellulose thinners from Ebay before, in fact cellulose is my favourite paint.

(EDIT - sorry, I didn't see the pic on the previous post!)

Does the dope adhere completely to the laminating film or does it peel off under some circumstances?

Presumably the laminating film's adhesive is heat-activated like that of the modelling films. Can it be made to pull round compound curves, eg a rounded block balsa wing tip, with heat without wrinkling, and then does the overlap adhere well enough so that it doesn't peel off later?

Obviously there's a technique to be learned and I'm wondering if there's a thread or blog somewhere with useful hints.

Kind regards

Gordon

Edited By Gordon Whitehead 1 on 21/11/2018 17:32:28

Edit no 2.  It's probably worth using aircraft cellulose as it'll be plasticised.  I've found that coloured car celluose can craze when used on, say, solartex and make your model look very aged! 

Edited By Gordon Whitehead 1 on 21/11/2018 17:38:08

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