Braddock, VC Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 In the event of the current CAA proposals becoming adopted as a Statute, how secure is our personal information with the bmfa? I mean if the police ask for a list of bmfa members in an area what is the likelihood of the bmfa rolling over and giving them the info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Gorham_ Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Why would they need to if there is a need to register to fly legally? Surely the CAA register would reveal if a person was legal or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike T Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Re "law", I'm paraphrasing here, but I think it was no less a luminary than Douglas Bader who proclaimed that while laws were for the obeisance of fools, they were merely for the guidance of wise men... Furthermore, a very well respected daily newspaper has recently been running editiorials praising the avowed intention of an individual (who is amongst the very highest in the land) to break the law in order to achieve a specific outcome. Examples to us all... Re the OP's question, I believe the BMFA has already stated that while it would share information if it were beneficial to its members to do so, it would - with their permission. If it were not, they would not - in compliance with Data Protection law (damn - that word again!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 9 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Posted by Mike T on 23/09/2019 18:21:11: Re "law", I'm paraphrasing here, but I think it was no less a luminary than Douglas Bader who proclaimed that while laws were for the obeisance of fools, they were merely for the guidance of wise men... misquoting is not paraphrasing "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools" not law Edited By Phil 9 on 23/09/2019 18:27:25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike T Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Posted by Phil 9 on 23/09/2019 18:26:41: misquoting is not paraphrasing "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools" not law You're bogging yourself down in detail and missing the bigger picture... Bader - yeah. TBH I've always thought it was too intelligent for him, but I assumed the attribution would play better to the demographic of this forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Organisations like the BMFA have a computer database. They list why and to whom they will share data. A common share, is for the purpose of law enforcement. But this is not the same as to supply intelligence to law enforcement agencies. I recall if the data holder, and police disagree, a judge can decide. But judges don't like fishing expeditions. Specifically, a list of members also might include a suspect, so we will sort through the list. Not allowed. And not bogging yourself down, a quote is a quote. And why play to a supposed audience. Facts are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddock, VC Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 23/09/2019 18:04:33: Posted by Braddock, VC on 23/09/2019 17:54:58: In the event of the current CAA proposals becoming adopted as a Statute Registration and testing is law. The ANO was changed last summer. See CAP 1763. What is the system that the CAA have devised? The latest from the bmfa (in this month's smae news) is do not "rush into registering or taking the the test etc etc" I have my own views on what I intend to do or not do and just don't want to be dropped into the smelly brown stuff by the bmfa. Incidentally I'm amazed at how easily contributors can manage to turn a fairly straightforward topic into bovine exhaust. I suppose I'll have to find out from the horses mouth how easy it is to redact one's details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Your personal data is extremely secure and would not be shared with anyone without your express consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Bisset Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I think you were close Mike T, in assuming that an aviation attribution would suit this forum - apparently it is suggested in 'Reach for the Sky' that Harry Day, First World War pilot & ace was the person Bader supposedly quoted. Must check my copy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not quite so Andy, but here is the full story, and standard registration of data disclosure. Who has access to your information? We will not sell or rent your information to third parties. We will not share your information with third parties for marketing purposes. If you have selected to join a BMFA affiliated club or BMFA specialist body by using the BMFA online membership service that club/body will have access to your personal data. Third Party Service Providers working on our behalf:We may pass your information to our third party service providers, agents subcontractors and other associated organisations for the purposes of completing tasks and providing services to you on our behalf (for example send you mailings such as the BMFA News). However, when we use third party service providers, we disclose only the personal information that is necessary to deliver the service and we have a contract in place that requires them to keep your information secure and not to use it for their own direct marketing purposes. Please be reassured that we will not release your information to third parties beyond the BMFA unless we are required to do so by law, for example, by a court order or for the purposes of prevention of fraud or other crime. When you are using our secure online payment pages, your payments are processed by a third party payment processor, who specialises in the secure online capture and processing of transactions. If you have any questions regarding secure transactions, please contact us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I see Bader being quoted again. Now there was a man who believed he was God,s gift to the world and could do no wrong!! I had the misfortune to meet him once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Posted by John Bisset on 23/09/2019 20:33:29: I think you were close Mike T, in assuming that an aviation attribution would suit this forum - apparently it is suggested in 'Reach for the Sky' that Harry Day, First World War pilot & ace was the person Bader supposedly quoted. Must check my copy! I believe the quote is of Greek origin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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