Richard Harris Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 (edited) 4max have now listed a power package for the upcoming Shifty here: Electric Setup For the Shifty by Richard Harris as featured in the April 2024 Edition of RCM&E Magazine (4-max.co.uk) Although I used a 3s 850mah pack in mine the second two beta models have a slightly wider fuselage to except larger packs, as all models have needed ballast it makes sense to benefit from the extra flight times. The 4max Lipos are the best I have used and come highly recommended. I also recommend the drone type motors for their durability and light weight, there are many to choose from out there similar to the 4max offering. They come with no mount but its easy to make one, I am quite happy to draw one and add the files somewhere for a 3d printed version if anyone is interested? I'm just finalising a materials list which I will post in the next few days, there is a little more wood in the delta than the canard. Rich Edited February 27 by Richard Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 Here we go, a materials list. All balsa is 915mm (36") lengths, sheet is 100mm (4") wide, straight grained and warp free. 4 off - 6.5mm (1/4") medium grade balsa sheet (flying surfaces, nose block and fuselage spines). 4 off - 3.2mm (1/8") medium grade balsa sheet (fuselage and vertical stabilisers). 2 off - 4.5mm (3/16") square medium grade balsa (fuselage lower longerons) 1 off - 3.2mm (1/8") 300mm x 300mm lite ply 1 off - 3.2mm (1/8") birch ply ( motor mount, front lower fuselage floor and hatch). It only needs to be 50mm square and could be made up of thinner laminations. The canopy is an optional extra as you can leave the fuselage side 'full' and simply paint or trim an outline. If you are going to go with a bottle type canopy you will need oddments of balsa sheet/ block to make a plug. Alternatively just pm me and I'm happy to make one using my plug, all I would want is the cost to cover P&P, this would be subject to empty bottles I can get my hands on. Any questions just ask. Looking forward to your creations. Rich 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 I just re read the materials list, the birch ply is for the bulkhead only. On another note the yellow Shifty built by Rich E has had its maiden, only required a few clicks of right trim. He's really pleased with it and sent me a couple of photos from the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Shelley Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just got the mag, looks great and a quick build too. Will see if I can knock up some parts in the evenings this week and get it built - Another Rich Harris classic in the making! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Thomas W Shelley said: Just got the mag, looks great and a quick build too. Will see if I can knock up some parts in the evenings this week and get it built - Another Rich Harris classic in the making! Excellent, I've not seen the article in all its glory as yet. Which one do you fancy Thomas? Be sure to post your progress as you get going please. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Shelley Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Definitely the canard to start with - I love the look of the delta but I like the sound of the canard's flight characteristics. Every single build of mine has a few 'oh sπ1t!' moments, so I usually end up doing a second one when I get round to it, will probably give the delta a go in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I don’t have any 800mAh LiPos but plenty of 1350mAh batteries. I am concerned about the wing loading with the larger heavier battery (130g) as it might spoil the low speed handling. Perhaps a 10% or 15% plan enlargement might be the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Piers Bowlan said: I don’t have any 800mAh LiPos but plenty of 1350mAh batteries. I am concerned about the wing loading with the larger heavier battery (130g) as it might spoil the low speed handling. Perhaps a 10% or 15% plan enlargement might be the answer? Piers, As long as you can physically fit your battery within the confines of the bay I think the original size is fine, the fuselage has been widened to accommodate larger packs than what I'm using. Each beta built canard has had to have some form of nose ballast added in the shown area to achieve the CG. I think the others are using 1100mah packs, I'm sure they will confirm when they see this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Jones 2 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Yep 1100 for me but I think it could take larger . 1500 maybe 👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Elliot Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I've used an 1100 and could go larger and remove a bit of nose ballast, plenty of room width wise but tight for depth so worth checking your battery sizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 hello richard...great plan in the mag(thanks)...when will you be starting the production run of the canopy's please. ken anderson...ne...1....richard harris production line dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 16 hours ago, ken anderson. said: hello richard...great plan in the mag(thanks)...when will you be starting the production run of the canopy's please. ken anderson...ne...1....richard harris production line dept. Yes Ken, PM sent Rich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 hello Rich....i've sent you a reply PM.... thanks. ken Anderson.......ne...1....shifty dept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Newman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Richard. Daft question, but thought I'd ask. If one was wanting to build both versions (together) do we need double of everything in the above mentioned materials list? Just curious if there is lots left over before ordering Balsa. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 Keith, Yes, material list is for one model, there will be left overs from this but not enough to build a complete model. You will need to double up if your going for the pair. Don't forget to post your progress as you get going. Rich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 here's away for my build of Richards design...he kindly sent me the canopy and two little lads to occupy it(Many thanks Richard).I've ordered the wood from Slec......so watch this space. ken anderson.....ne...1.....Thrifty Dept.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 Glad it arrived safely. Looking forward to your build Ken, I can hazard a guess but which version are you opting for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeromaniac Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Hi Richard im in Australia and just received the April edition today and when I saw your designs, I instantly knew that I need to build them. I already have some twin engines planes using drone motors on 4s, is 4s too much for the shifty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Thanks Richard..... I'm going to make the Canard,I've built a couple of Canards and like the way they fly....wood arriving today,motor to order nxt .. Ken Anderson....ne ..1....Shifty production line dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 Aeromaniac, I've not tried a 4s but would think it would be fine, it certainly wouldn't hurt to inset a carbon/hardwood spar into the flying surfaces if going down this route. The extra weight of the 4s lipo will benefit either Shifty as the beta test models had lead added to the nose. Nice twins by the way, please post your progress once you get going. 😎 Ken, I've flown several canards and Shifty is by far the best flier to date, goes where you point it, you will like it.🙂 Rich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 wood arrived,i've started to cut out the bits to make Shifty...Fuz first... ken anderson...ne...1...Shifty dept. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Fairgrieve Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Looking good @ken anderson., for me it would have to be the Delta!!! Far too many projects at the moment though. I shall follow yours with interest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 Ken, Looking good mate, maiden next week end at this rate? 🤣 Kevin, We can never have too many projects 😉 We had a visit yesterday from a fellow American modeller and avid RCM&E reader Lee, managed to get a few of the boys over to meet him and have a day flying in near perfect conditions. A good day was had by all and he left with a Shifty plan and canopy, he will update me on his progress on his return to Washington. Managed to get a snap of Rich E's canard, if you look closely his receiver is in the cockpit, doubling up as a dummy instrument panel, it fits in from underneath. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted Wednesday at 11:43 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:43 few more photos from Shifty construction dept,plus ordered the motor from 4Max on monday morning and it was delivered tuesday morning..excellent service i hear you think.....only thing is the plan tells you to angle the top and bottom of one of the formers(it tells you the wrong one!!...no big deal) ken anderson...ne...1...shifty dept. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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