toto Posted November 6, 2024 Author Share Posted November 6, 2024 Ok ..... tonight, a bit of a mixed bag. started off installing my little plastic spacers that keep the insulation in place and then started on some of the more awkward insulation pieces. cutting multiple angles and the like. had to move and install other cables as well in order to get them behind the installation and then installed a further two sets of camera HDMI and USB cables that were delivered today. still a bit to do in marking up the various cables before things start getting out of hand. Tomorrows job as well as continuing with the insulation install. I am trying to get to the position whereby I have all the walls with the exception of the front wall insulated to let me install the vents and grilles to the three walls as a days work over the weekend. Things will be clearer as things progress. A little more on the cabling and camera installation to come. cheers for now. toto 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 6, 2024 Author Share Posted November 6, 2024 (edited) OK ..... a little about the electrical and data cabling. the electrical cabling installation is just about as far as it can go for now as with the exception of two single socket outlets, all the rest relies upon the installation of the dado trunking in order to complete the 30amp ring circuit. so maybe a bit on the single sockets which will be wired as " spurs " of the main ring later as it happens. there are 3 further 2 foot task lights to be installed but again rely 100% on the installation of the dado trunking so once again ..... more on that nearer the time. the data cabling is a little more complicated but is based on 6 potential camera positions with 4 active cameras available at any one time controlled through a video switcher which has 4 channels. I will be able to change out the positions of " live " cameras between any of the 6 positions keeping 4 live. the camera positions have 4 fixed positions with any adjustment made by moving a multi articulated camera mount to suit. The other two cameras will be mounted on camera rails with a further articulated mount giving the ability to not only move from side to side by approximately 800mm bit also have the full flexibility of the articulated mount a the others do for now .... the intention is to install one rail above the worktop area and one on the outskirts of the assembly area. here is a few pictures of the rails and the articulated mounts. They come in a bag as they are intended to be portable although they will be fixed in this case .... here is the rail section .... and along its length .... a picture of the bogie that the camera is mounted on and attached to the rail where it can travel along its length .... The other side with the rollers that travers the rails. It has a brake spindle as well to lock it in place .... the end piece and various fixings to fix to the ceiling or wall .... two of them .... other miscellaneous fixings and an allen key .... and a carrying strap for the bag. the rail etc is a reasonable weight and very robust. Moving on to the camera mount whish attaches to the rail buggy. articulated to give just about any angle you could wish with a camera mount plate at one end and the fixing plate at the other. the camera mount screw. the camera ..... and its attached ..... So .... that gives an idea of the camera set up. one thing that makes the cabling of these cameras .... especially the rail mounted cameras is that you have to leave enough cabling to allow the camera to traverse the full length of the rail in both directions which .... in order to keep the cabling as short and neat as possible means the position of where the cable exits the ceiling should be roughly at the mid way point of the rail. a little bit of playing around with that to come before I fix the ceiling in place ...... anyway ...... enough for now .... any questions welcome cheers toto Edited November 6, 2024 by toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 6, 2024 Author Share Posted November 6, 2024 So .... now you have seen a little of what's to come in future sessions, it's back to the mundane....... insulation with the odd bit of light relief for a couple of 240v spurs for single sockets. This continues to be a journey for me. To be honest, I knew that the replacement of the sheds was going to be a big move and was determined to cram as much in at the early stages in terms of a complete transformation which would be fit for purpose for some time to come. I know that as time creeps towards retirement that I won't have the same budget and need to cater for as much as possible whilst I can. I want to get this finished and hopefully when the " real " start of next years flying season begins ..... I can get back to concentrating on getting my flying skills back up to a point that I can head for my A test and get over the hurdle of being supervised. .... get some experience and build my skills on my trainers.... then let rip with some of the more interesting stuff. That's the plan so ..... bring on tomorrow and some more build progress ..... and for once I can say build and not have to apologise and fall back to assembly ...... I hope you are enjoying my journey and experience. Cheers Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learner Posted November 7, 2024 Share Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) 11 hours ago, toto said: Ok ..... tonight, a bit of a mixed bag. started off installing my little plastic spacers that keep the insulation in place and then started on some of the more awkward insulation pieces. cutting multiple angles and the like. had to move and install other cables as well in order to get them behind the installation and then installed a further two sets of camera HDMI and USB cables that were delivered today. still a bit to do in marking up the various cables before things start getting out of hand. Tomorrows job as well as continuing with the insulation install. I am trying to get to the position whereby I have all the walls with the exception of the front wall insulated to let me install the vents and grilles to the three walls as a days work over the weekend. Things will be clearer as things progress. A little more on the cabling and camera installation to come. cheers for now. toto Seems a shame to make a load of big holes in the walls to let the heat out after insulating so well. Edited November 7, 2024 by Learner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted November 7, 2024 Share Posted November 7, 2024 To solve that problem what you would need is an "air to air" heat exchanger or in other words an air conditioning system! Cool the air going out and transfer that heat to the air coming in but not easy to do economically at the low temperature differences involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john davidson 1 Posted November 7, 2024 Share Posted November 7, 2024 (edited) New houses have to have an "air test" to prove air tightness and have similar issues in changing air , Mention of budgets in retirement , after mortgage is finished and children are away and set up independently I have more disposable income in retirement than when working. But you have to plan a long time in advance to obtain a decent occupational pension, the State pension tops it up to pre retirement level only Edited November 7, 2024 by john davidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 7, 2024 Author Share Posted November 7, 2024 So .... Postman Pat arrived this morning..... he said he had been put on light duties ...... and gave me these .... 3 of them .... approximately 2 foot long .... just for scale ..... and the rear showing the cable and fixings. they are as light as a feather with virtually no weight so can be mounted directly onto the 6mm ply ceiling sheeting with no chance of overloading in any way. there are 3 of them which will be spread out directly above my worktop area along the front wall as task lighting. cheers for now toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 7, 2024 Author Share Posted November 7, 2024 Another day begins, So many things to do. That can be a good thing as a bit variety takes the sting out of things. Today I need to look at installing some additional dwangs to take these camera rails as there is a bit of weight to them so I think I'll kick of with that for a bit of easy peasy wood mechanics. I also need to start labelling up the cables as I won't have the benefit of being able to identify them once the sheetingmstarts going on which will hopefully could be within days of now in certain locations. iiI'll give the mancave a good clean out after last nights shift cutting the insulation .... horrible messy stuff. It feels so much better working in a clean environment without trudging through rubbish and tripping over stuff. I'll update later as usual with a few pictures. ..... time for a coffee .... and a ponder. Cheers for now Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 7, 2024 Author Share Posted November 7, 2024 OK ..... went a bit off piste with my intentions but progress none the less .... started off by doing a bit cleaning, tidying and moving of materials..... mainly the insulation over to the back wall to give me access to the front wall where most of the action will now be .... swept out and tidied up a bit .... and the front wall ..... now accessible ..... So started by labelling up the existing wiring .... mostly the data stuff. I had to move the data wiring into other ceiling bays to get the wiring centrally placed for working better with the camera rail mounts. happier with that now. I also installed the electrical task lighting .... the cable I had only just made it. one of them .... and another .... One of the main cable routes that goes back to the switch gear is getting a bit busy so they are all now marked up for clarity. I still have a vertical dwang to install on the stud partition wall to take one of the camera rails and a short spur cable leg for the 13A single socket with USB which is located there as well. that may be tonight. It our clubs AGM meeting tonight via teams at 7 o'clock so it will depend on when that finishes as to if I can continue in the shed tonight .... especially if I am drilling and banging etc .... we'll see. thats all for now toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learner Posted November 7, 2024 Share Posted November 7, 2024 25 minutes ago, toto said: OK ..... went a bit off piste with my intentions but progress none the less .... started off by doing a bit cleaning, tidying and moving of materials..... mainly the insulation over to the back wall to give me access to the front wall where most of the action will now be .... swept out and tidied up a bit .... and the front wall ..... now accessible ..... So started by labelling up the existing wiring .... mostly the data stuff. I had to move the data wiring into other ceiling bays to get the wiring centrally placed for working better with the camera rail mounts. happier with that now. I also installed the electrical task lighting .... the cable I had only just made it. one of them .... and another .... One of the main cable routes that goes back to the switch gear is getting a bit busy so they are all now marked up for clarity. I still have a vertical dwang to install on the stud partition wall to take one of the camera rails and a short spur cable leg for the 13A single socket with USB which is located there as well. that may be tonight. It our clubs AGM meeting tonight via teams at 7 o'clock so it will depend on when that finishes as to if I can continue in the shed tonight .... especially if I am drilling and banging etc .... we'll see. thats all for now toto Just looked up "Dwang" as I had an idea, but wasn't sure. For any Englanders out there its called a "Noggin". But don't ask me why it's called either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 7, 2024 Author Share Posted November 7, 2024 I've heard nogging as well and the term does get used up here in Scotland but from way back in my apprenticeship years .... it was always a dwang. Never thought to clarify it for others though. Cheers Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 7, 2024 Author Share Posted November 7, 2024 Club AGM Teams call over but decided to have the remainder of the night off. pretty good to myself eh. It will probably be late tomorrow afternoon before I get back to the grind again. So .... tasks for tomorrow. The installation of a couple of short ring main cables to tie two low level sockets into the dado circuit and then ....... back to the dreaded insulation. Never mind, If I can get this stage over with, I can get onto installing the ventillation and sections of the plywood wall lining. .... its like a version of the Crystal maze trying to get certain elements of the overall install done in the correct order. Not as straight forward as it appears. ....... honest. hopefully some larger leaps and bounds ahead. Cheers for sticking with me. Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 8, 2024 Share Posted November 8, 2024 I know zilch about all this but have you had to get planning permission etc and does what looks to be a very competent and pro job need to be checked out officially ? Structure, electrical and fire regs etc? It's not exactly a simple garden shed. Just curious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 8, 2024 Author Share Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) Certainly complies with the planning permissions in terms of height, dimensions, proximity etc. I have not had the electrical installation checked out officially but should that be required, I am very confident that the installation would pass any required standards. I am .... or was an electrician prior to becoming a Quantity Surveyor but have not relied on my own discretion as to the compliance of the installation as the IEE regs have evolved since I last worked in the trade. I have my mate who I served my time with and still operates as an electrician with his own established company casting an eye over it as it has developed. It's basic domestic electrical wiring. I have one 30amp ring main and one 10 amp lighting circuit. The lights are all low consumption LED fittings so will take negligible power draw. The ring main will not be too pushed either with my computer and monitors being the largest power draws with occassional power toll use and battery chargers from time to time. I am looking to see the best type of fire extinguishers to have available as well as a fire blanket. I don't think I will have any issues with it. Cheers Toto Edited November 8, 2024 by toto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 8, 2024 Author Share Posted November 8, 2024 OK ..... back in the shed and onto the insulation again .... and here is where I left off the last session. half way down the side wall ..... so ..... crashed on from there .... so a couple of easy peasy bits to start off .... and we keep going ...... and job done .... wall finished .... started on some of the smaller pieces along the front wall .... and .... and one more view .... The intention for this weekend is to finish the insulaltion along the lower level of the front wall and then sheet the area with plywood. Bore through pilot holes for the 100mm ventilation ducts and get the vents installed ( all low level ) once that is done and permanently fixed in place, I can start getting the dado trunking up and the wiring concluded. it may not be easy to follow this part until I get the pictures up to show the various parts of the proceedures ..... but all will become clearer .... honest. 😄 cheers for now toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 9, 2024 Author Share Posted November 9, 2024 So .... had time to reflect on where * am and the best way forward. It's got these chicken and egg moments when it comes to bringing the whole installation together and sometimes you need to construct and dismantle again in order to get things placed correctly ...... electrical cables coming out at the correct place in the wall to enter the dado trunking for example and worse still the installation of the ventillation ducts which are a pain to get right. ...... you will see what I mean about that when the time comes but with a bit of thought before jumping in ....... it will work out ok. So when tomorrow comes and I get another few hours at it ..... my plan as I have it in my mind currently as to the order of construction, will have changed many times,and I will progress with whatever the revised plan at that particular moment is. This is the stage of the project that I like best ..... the big clumsy bits of wood , insulation and electrics as it is all about mechanically assembling things together. There will be a more technically demanding phase still to come after that getting all the technology to talk to each other for the video production hardware and software. ....... there lies the learning curve ahead for me but I have a very good mentor to advise me there. ...... I'll keep on enjoying the clunky stuff meanwhile which is where my heart lies. Hopefully more of a mixed bag tomorrow with some fresh aspects coming into play ..... just for interest. Time to finish my liaison with my mate John Smith and head for the sack. Until later ........ toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 9, 2024 Author Share Posted November 9, 2024 (edited) So .... today .... more insulation and some wiring and marking up cables .... Got started on the front wall insulation .... and making good progress cutting out notches in the foam to bring the cables through as I go. the high level cables you see coiled up will enter into the rear of the cable trunking when installed and run to their respective destinations from there. nearly done on the front wall ..... more cables etc being brought through for the trunking. I've taken the insulation as far as i will be for the moment as I need to leave the strip above where the fuseboard is going for access at the moment. That leaves me with three sections to complete and the partition wall which I was not going to insulate but since I have plenty left over .... I may as well. So the partition wall and behind it, one of the corners that I have to cut and install. The other corner at the door to finish once the wiring back to the fuse board is complete. i also done a little wiring to cater for three low level double sockets which are situated where my PC will be below desk level in the top corner. More fast fix boxes to fit them out. I'll get a picture of these fast fix boxes being installed when the time comes for anyone who hasn't seen them before. Great things for anyone who lives in a new build house with plasterboard walls. I'm at a wedding function tonight so there will be no more until tomorrow when I will be starting on the ventilation install on the front wall. that will be a bit awkward and messy but once its done, the ply sheeting can go on for keeps and I will be able to start installing the dado trunking. OK .... I'm off for now and I'll catch up again later. cheers toto Edited November 9, 2024 by toto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 10, 2024 Author Share Posted November 10, 2024 So ...... todays target is to get the first 3 ventilation ducts fitted. These are all along the front face of the building and are at low level. I still have to determine the installation height yet but suspect it will be around 300mm - 350mm from floor level to the centre of the vent. ..... this may change once some on site measurements have been taken. I also need to mark up on the floor where all the vertical wall studs are to ensure I screw the Ply lining on at the correct places. Easy enough done. So my method will be roughly as follows ..... 1. Temporarily screw the Ply liner in place 2. Mark up on the outside wall where the centre point of the duct will fall 3. Drill a pilot hole through from the outside all the way to the inside keeping it as level as I can. 4. Remove the Ply liner and where the drill has penetrated the vapour barrier , cut an X through the vapour barrier just big enough for the 100mm duct to fit through. 5. Push the duct through the outside wall ( from the outside ) 6. Seal the vapour barrier around the pipe ( inside ) with the aluminium foil tape I Have. 7. Bore through the insulation with the 102mm cutter ( using the pilot hole from earlier ) 8. Push the insulation over the duct 9. Cut the 102mm hole in the Ply liner ( using the pilot hole from earlier ) 10. Push the Ply liner over the end of the duct..... Push back to meet the wall studs and screw in place. 11. Fit the external and internal cowl, grille and seal the outer 6cowl tomth3 sh3d cladding with mastic and apply the provided screws. I have 2 sections of 100mm duct that ne3d to be cut to appropriate lengths for the above. Apart from that, as I offer thr plywood lining up to the,inside of the wall,for its " final fix " I also n33d to measure and bore holes for a couple of low level double sockets and cut Fast fix boxes in place to take the sockets as well. If I have the confidence that the Ply liner does not have to come back off again ...... I can terminate the sockets at the same time. Once I have the Ply liner fitted all the way along the front wall. I can also mark up for the level of the electrical dado panelling and start fitting that as well. ....... let's see how far Imget today. I'm not starting until about one o'clock. Cheers for now Toto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 10, 2024 Author Share Posted November 10, 2024 OK ..... did not get on as far as I wanted but I did get a bit done. I had a visit from a mate for a while, a new dewalt jigsaw that would not work ( delayed my ages ) now working after a bang on the worktop ..... I suspect an intermittent fault of some kind ..... and its brand new about 4 weeks ago but only tested today for the first time. I'll try a local service agent rather than returning through the post first .... we will see. anyway .... eventually working and cuts very well ..... much better than the old black and decker I had from years ago. So .... on to todays progress .... first ply panel cut to shape around the windows and temporarily screwed into position. Now ....... I can hear you all screaming at me .............. why did you not sheet it vertically ...... why sheet it horisontally .... there areca few reasons for this which will become clearer as the install continues. just ..... stay with me on that one. my mate got coerced into holding it in position for me prior to me putting in a few screws ...... don't come round to my house unless you are prepared to wield a tool or two. 😂 marked and cut around the window openings. this may get finished off with a bit trim ..... maybe not. and another ..... second panel goes in drilling holes for cables etc where necessary .... and the last one for now. this will lead me on to tomorrow where I can now start measuring, marking up and drilling the pilot holes for the three low level ventillation ducts that will go in. I can also cut the fast fix box for the low level socket .... the wiring for which you can see at the far end of the wall in the picture above. there are another two low level sockets on the other side wall which you can see the cables poking through the insulation in the corner. Once I get that done and fix the ply sheeting permanently I can start on both the ply on the adjoining side wall, more vents and the beginning of the dado trunking installation. all going well so far. thanks for following so far and hope it is of interest. cheers toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 11, 2024 Author Share Posted November 11, 2024 OK ..... so tonights venture is to start the first of the vent installs ..... grille on the left to the inside and louvre on the right to the outside ...... adjoined by the duct ..... once cut to fit. they simply slip on the ends ...... the grille with an insect mesh inside which you may see better here .... and the fixing holes which you can see the rear of ..... here .... the front plate comes off and snaps back on. and the louvre .... and again ..... fixing holes .... there are what looks like little lugs that push in to release the front plates to allow the rear plate to be screwed to the shed, then the front plates snap back on ..... I think. All will become apparent when I tackle them later. I also have one fast fix socket box that I will need to cut out on the inside as well which hopefully .... time permitting ..... should be complete tonight to allow me to get the internal plywood sheeting permanently fixed back in place ..... or so the theory goes. I'll post up any progress later ..... cheers for now toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john davidson 1 Posted November 11, 2024 Share Posted November 11, 2024 (edited) Plenty scope for the wasps there , the mesh might be best on the outside? Also there is no way to close them? Edited November 11, 2024 by john davidson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 11, 2024 Author Share Posted November 11, 2024 Hi John, If I have any issues with them I can always change them out If I have to. I wanted to go for something free flowing but in hindsight maybe manually operated would have been best. I'll have until next summer to find out. Cheers Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 11, 2024 Author Share Posted November 11, 2024 Just ordered some fine insect mesh which can be installed over the end of the duct prior to sliding the louvre on or over the opening on the outside secured with a couple of self tapping screws. I needed the mesh anyway to close of the eaves at the rear of the shed. I didn't want to block the eaves with wood or insulation as I want to encourage airflow through the roof. Cheers for now Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 11, 2024 Author Share Posted November 11, 2024 (edited) So ..... eventually got around to cutting in the first three vents .... with this bad boy ..... I made a start ....... then cut the inside using the pilot that had been drilled through all the surfaces ..... cut the insulation .... removed the insulation and taped up the vapour barrier around the vent where it had broke through ...... not pretty but sealed again. back on with the insulation and poke the vent through the ply and install the inner grille .... screw back the ply liner and screw back the grille in place ..... and repeat ........ see the double socket cut out in the plywood at the top left ....... to enable me to fit this .... started like this ...... marked up the box and cut out the box..... you will see above ... two sets of lines that I have marked around the perimeter of the box. The outer set is the actual outside profile of the box ...... dont cut to these marks. You have to draw a further set of lines about 4mm INSIDE these marks that way the box fits snuggly and the outer lip sits against the wall to stop the box from falling inside the wall ...... be careful it easy to foul up here. push the box back into place bringing the cables in from a knock out in the top of the box..... all three low level front wall vents done .... I will need to remove the outside louvre which I have screwed back in order to install a mastic sealant. thats for later .... I'll do them all at once when finished the install. another sheet lifted into place for starting on tomorrow night ....... Slow but moving forward all the same ...... cheers for now toto Edited November 11, 2024 by toto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted November 11, 2024 Author Share Posted November 11, 2024 So onto tomorrow ..... I have placed the 1st sheet of Ply to be fitted to the side wall horizontally but I am thinking of changing that to vertically as there is not as much clutter ( electrically ) on the side or rear walls. The front wall made sense the way things are as I intend to have a narrow access strip running along the top of the wall and the interface with the ceiling for the purpose of future potential cabling requirements. ..... that will explain itself later as I come to complete themfront wall sheeting. As far as possible, I am looking to " future proof " the shed leaving access for any changes ..... without taking it to ridiculous extremes. I am trying to keep the potential for having to run surface cables to a minimum. So .... a change in tack tomorrow night. I hope to complete the 1st side wall which only have two ventilation ducts as opposed to the three on the front and the back. The vents on the side walls will be installed at high level .... provided I don't jump in without thinking and forget. More progress tomorrow hopefully having the vents com0leted by the weekend letting me start to concentrate on completing the electrics including the installation of the dado trunking. After that ...... the ceiling .... includingnthe place,ent of the main lights and various camera positions along with their mounts or / and mounting rails. There should be a good mix of installation tasks coming up over the next while hopefully making things a bit more interesting. Cheers for now and thanks for staying with me. Toto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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