The Atom Special

[Edmond Burgess]

HI Richard.... Have you managed to make a rotor head yet? The way things are going at the moment, it looks as though I am going to make one, as the C30 is all sold out with a long waiting list.

I am building the ATOM SPECIAL but will not put everything together Intel all the parts are there.

regards .... Edmond.

[Stephen Jones]

Ok i have done a little more .

Some of you may of noticed that the bottom of my Atom was flat and this is why.

So that i could fit a training wing that can bee removed after i have learned how to fly it .

Thank`s to Tom Wrights cleaver invention.

The wings are held in place by a rubber band. As you can see i have positioned the servos at the back with the head servos Angled in order to operate the head as normal.

Sorry my camera work is not too Good .

And i hope that Richard is not to disappointed and think`s that i have turned his design into another one off my Novelty models .

Steve,

[Phil Winks]

I think thats an interesting take on the model, one that I think invites differing and unique approaches, and the idea of training wings sort of appeals to me, plus they actually don't, from a laymans point of view, look out of place.

[Richard Harris]

Steve,

Interesting alteration, let us know how it flies?The wing will help with orientation and as a rule creates about 30% of the lift.

This same type of model was being developed when I first started playing with autogyros and nearly built the 'Whistlers Cousin' for my dad in the early days.

Here is a video I uploaded pulled off a CD I was sent from Joel Waldo the designer of the Cousin, taken at the 2008 Gyronuts fly-in, Morris /Illinois.

I am full of useless information

 

 

Rich

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[Stephen Jones]

Hi Richard ,

Thanks for sharing the Video with us .

It Just shows it`s not a new idea and after watching the Video i can clearly see how much it helps with the orientation.

I have the landing gear legs to make up yet and i am going to make a jig to help sand the blades to shape , as i guess i will probably need to make several of them during the learning process.

Cheers Steve,

[Tom Wright 2]

Wing assisted RC auto gyros are certainly not a new idea M Nowell fitted small wings to his G3PO IN 1994.The lift contribution of course depends on the section and area, the dihedral provides a degree of stability and damping in roll , but even a very small wing goes a long way to help avoid the dreaded disorientation.

If the rotors are not up to speed during ROG or launch the wing may not prevent the classic roll over, and it can make the rudder more sensitive.

Just a bit more useless information, but it can work well..

Tom.

[Max Z]

Managed to shoot some footage today (with an oldish mobile from a friend, quality not too good):

I am really enjoying this thing, control is getting better all the time. I made a couple of flights last weekend before a sizeable gathering of clubmates. Lots of interest for it.

Max.

(Original footage was better than this. This is my first ever Youtube upload, so I am struggling a bit. Sorry)

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[Steve Jones 2]

Great video Max looks like y

ou have your Atom really sorted. Now time to enjoy !!!!

Steve

[Stephen Jones]

Hi Max ,

You seem to have got the hang of it , where those larger rudder a big help ?

Steve

[Max Z]

Posted by Stephen Jones on 04/11/2014 20:34:18:

You seem to have got the hang of it , where those larger rudder a big help ?

I'm inclined to say yes, but then again when you are learning you are getting more confident in controlling anyway, so it may all be in the mind.......

Max.

[Richard Harris]

Max,

Text book flying, looks like you are a natural! thanks for taking the time to post your video.

Rich

[Markus Drillkens]

Hi,

very nice Idea using the little wing underside

I for myself also had problems considering disorientation by making my first flights with a Fire Fly.

Keep the gyro near and don´t let it get too far away!

So here a few pics of my "Smurf Mobile"!

Couldn´t resist to paint the Cowl in white and add some Decals which I used by my Panther.

Rich,

this little Pilot isn´t Easy to find , but I think I try to make one by myself out of foam and paint, in order to get a fitting scale for the atom!

Further I build a little steerable Tail wheel out of thin piano wire and a half of a hinge, normally used for the Rudders on a fixed Wing Airplane! Think this will work fine especially using a hard underground to take off from.

Greetings from Germany

Markus

[adrian lawrence 1]

 

Hi, I'm not sure if it's ok to post this here or not, please tell me if it's the latter. I have been having a rationalisation of my modelling and have 2 new in packets C130 heads. I had intendened to use these on two models, however I don't think that I will ever get round to doing so. Therefore if anyone is interested I will post them in the UK by my MyHermes signed for at a cost of £13.50 each, this will cover my original cost and postage. If you are Interested  please pm me. Regards adrian

 

 

 

 

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[Phil Winks]

Posted by adrian lawrence 1 on 05/11/2014 19:57:08:

Hi, I'm not sure if it's ok to post this here or not, please tell me if it's the latter. I have been having a rationalisation of my modelling and have 2 new in packets C130 heads. I had intendened to use these on two models, however I don't think that I will ever get round to doing so. Therefore if anyone is interested I will post them in the UK by my MyHermes signed for at a cost of £13.50 each, this will cover my original cost and postage. If you are Interested please pm me. Regards

Hi Adrian, we cant PM you as your profile is not public, I am interested if you would pm me and we can hopefully do the deal

Phil

[adrian lawrence 1]

Pm sent Phil, have made my profile public, didn't realise that it wasn't. Thanks for the info, regards Adrian

[Ken Lighten]

Hi Adrian, I'd be interested in the second one if its still available - PM me please

[adrian lawrence 1]

Both heads provisionally sold.

[Mike Stevens]

Posted by Markus Drillkens on 05/11/2014 19:41:49:

Hi,

very nice Idea using the little wing underside

I for myself also had problems considering disorientation by making my first flights with a Fire Fly.

Keep the gyro near and don´t let it get too far away!

So here a few pics of my "Smurf Mobile"!

Couldn´t resist to paint the Cowl in white and add some Decals which I used by my Panther.

Rich,

this little Pilot isn´t Easy to find , but I think I try to make one by myself out of foam and paint, in order to get a fitting scale for the atom!

 

Further I build a little steerable Tail wheel out of thin piano wire and a half of a hinge, normally used for the Rudders on a fixed Wing Airplane! Think this will work fine especially using a hard underground to take off from.

Greetings from Germany

Markus

 

Markus

Love your tail wheel which I think I will copy as it fits in so well with the existing rudder set up. Love the colour scheme too.

 

How have most people finished their models with film or sprayed. Must admit that compared to a Wot4 or similar I found this really difficult to cover neatly or maybe old age is creeping in. I think if/when I need to build another I will opt for painting next time.

Mike

 

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[Mike Stevens]

[Stephen Jones]

Hi Mike ,

I found mine easy to cover in solar film , one piece of film wrapped round the body, then a small piece over the nose followed by stripes ,

Same for tail plane and rudders , then i painted the booms and mast .

One quick job.

Steve.

[Richard Harris]

Markus,

Nice job I do like the steerable tail wheel that have been added to a couple of Atom's, I may just borrow the idea for my No2 model!

Mike,

I used worldmodels Litex to cover mine, you can apply it with a lower heat than normal, boom and mast are spray painted.

Steve,

You have got decorate those wings to look like bees wings

Rich

[Terry Whiting 1]

Hi Steve,

A good bit of lateral thinking on your part. Did you make it from Depron?

There have been one or two posts about the lack of rudder control. When making my Atom I was thinking what Rich said about trying a central rudder aiding the others. I was toying with the idea of increasing the rudder area but not the rudder and fins overall size. My Idea is as this sketch By trimming the tail plane thus enabling to move the rudder hinge line 25mm forward.

Terry

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[Mike Stevens]

Hi Rich. I tried Litex and gave up and went to Profilm but still struggled....lol

[Markus Drillkens]

Mike,

The Atom Mast (including the servo mounts for the Head and ail Tail) and the cowl are sprayed, blue Tail, Fins and the fuselage are covered with Oracover and the white and black decals are Orastick.

the Panther is all oracover film including the white and black stripes! Only the Canopy white area is sprayed!

 

Rich,

 

Thanks a lot! We´ll see if this little Tail wheel works properly.

 

Terry,

 

Great idea! Think the only way to get to know if this works better is to build and test it.

Cheers

Markus

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[Richard Harris]

Terry,

That should work a treat .I did toy with the idea of having just fins and moving the whole of the tailplane, pivoting it in the centre somewhere. But I dropped that idea as I thought it would look a bit daft!

I am liking all these modifications.

Rich