Jon H Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 As I was between the ages of 0 and 5 during the 80's I cant comment directly but from what I understand Neil and Ray Slack made the engines together using 5 150 cylinders and another with 5 180 cylinders. They ran very slowly which is why they sounded so nice. I will soon be doing an experiment regarding and new bore/stroke ratio with future multi cylinder designs in mind. Each cylinder would be in the order of 20cc so some very simple mathematics is needsed to work out the capacity of a 3 cylinder engine. The only snag is that it might be larger in diameter than its competitors due to the long stroke, but I am working on that too. I have also had a few parts made for another experimental idea that to the best of my knowledge has never been successfully done before either in modelling or in full size aircraft. Time will tell if I can get it right. If I can it should have high power/weight and power/size ratio's. Cant give details as yet, but if I get a running prototype up to speed I will fill you in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I am a fan of the boxer engines so a small boxer would be great, anywhere between 10cc and 60cc. I do like the multicylinder designs but alas they are too expensive for my wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Hi Rich I hear what you are saying about prices and my master plan is to sell things at sensible prices that people can actually afford. Its all well and good having the worlds most wonderful engine but if you price it out of reach no one will buy it and you wont make any money. Clearly we wont be pricing to match the Chinese products that are available, but we will be competitive against our Japanese and European competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David perry 1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Thanks, I'll have a look at a V twin...on youtube before being temped! Regarding the diameter, Jon, that bothers the scale guys I am sure but I can never bring myself to cowl my lasers. I love to see them in the air in all their glory so even if the model has a cowl, i leave it off. Looks awful, but looks good...if you know what I mean. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 All these super technical ideas are great, but something that's missing from the Laser line-up at present, Jon, is a set of Laser logo decals in various sizes to stick on my planes, Tx carry case , model box etc. eg: Happy New Year to all at Laser Engines! Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Sticker sheets and even the possibility of hats or T shirts have been discussed. Not sure what the demand would be like for the latter two but stickers should be easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Hi Percy The example I showed above is just the basic logo on the Laser engines website. By coincidence I was also thinking that it'd be nice if there was a Union Jack in there somewhere. Your suggestion sounds perfect Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Re: the Union Jack....recently I was discussing a new packaging system for a product we make at work with the packaging supplier. Currently the box states "Made in U.K." & the packaging supplier asked if we wanted to change it to "Made in E.U." "Why would we do that I?" asked...."It IS made in the UK." "Oh" he replied "It's just that Made in the UK puts some people off buying it...." He wasn't joking..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin McIntosh Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I don`t blame them Steve. What little we still produce is often shoddy and ill thought out (if not designed abroad in the first place). Look at Bentley cars now, 37th out of 37 in a reliability study. Would anyone seriously buy a r/c set made here any more? Long may Lasers continue as a last bastion of Britishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 This particular product does find sales in the Middle East occasionally & I think it was the UK's Foreign Policy he had in mind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I really like Laser engines, those that I've come across in other peoples' models have been fabulous. To be honest, they're beyond my budget for the larger and more useful sizes as I can't really justify spending hundreds of pounds on any engine. One pays one's money etc. Being a somewhat specialist product for a relatively small market (and in a rapidly shrinking glow IC market anyway) is Laser batting on a sticky wicket, at least in the medium to long term? I'm playing devil's advocate here and I'd be interested in hearing the comments of others. Far too many British companies (think radio control manufacturers as one glaring example - but not unique to the UK) have eventually fallen by the wayside after a gallant fight against foreign competition with price and increasing quality on their side. Certainly, the Made in England label should be proudly displayed on the company's products and it's a credit to the owners that they haven't gone down the Dyson route by waving the Union Flag and transferring manufacturing to the Far East. BTW mention was made of Bentley Cars.......................aren't they made by that fine, honest and reliable company VW? Edited By Cuban8 on 03/01/2016 18:05:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon H Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 I look away for one minute and look what happens! Ok, the union flag thing....we have been considering using it somewhere/somehow but the snag is how to do so without it looking tacky. How many dreadful products have we seen with flags plastered all over the place? It sure as sausages didnt do Rover cars any good! We do want to make it known that the engines are made in the UK but putting flags all over the show might not be the best solution. I have not forgotten about this, its just not very high on my priority list. Cuban, we have never been more competitively priced vs OS and Saito and with the long life of the engines you will see value for money. That said i do understand that 300 quid is a fair chunk of money for most people so does need to be carefully considered. As for the shrinkage of the glow engine market we agree. Small models are now electric and big ones petrol. The bracket for glow engines engines has shrunk somewhat and that is part of the reason for this thread. We need to make the products people want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McIntosh Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I once owned a British radio set which had an outline of the UK on the Tx logo. It looked good and was much better than a flag or `Made in UK`. Just an idea. Any more thoughts on a 300 single, or should I not have mentioned that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Stevenson Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Martin, I hope your set with the UK logo included N.Ireland which is part.of the UK?/? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McIntosh Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Derek, this was forty years ago and I have trouble remembering if I had breakfast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 How about a lion ? It's on the Royal Standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We are going off topic here, I would not personally care what the sticker looked like, or even no sticker, and I ain't buying a hat. But marketing is lacking. I am the only Laser user in my (French) club. The members are intrigued, like a Twitcher on seeing a rare foreign visitor. They also note easy starts, reliable idle, power to pull. Plenty of OS and Saito users. Some business cards in every moter leaving the factory? And a plain sticker with a web site address? At the end of the day there is no aero modelling reason why Laser should be rarer than the premium Japanese motors, therefore the reason has to be marketing of the product.. And the website is not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Hi Guys Your comments about logo's and so on are helpful, but at the end of the day it falls to me to actually do it and graphic design is not really something i excel at or (at the moment anyway) have time for. There are loads of updates i need to put on the website but it takes forever to put them together in photoshop and for some reason the website has decided it dosent want to upload photos into our gallery without screwing up the quality. I will eventually fix it but with only one of me to do everything its not going to happen soon. Donald, are you on the correct website? the old .co.uk site is out of date and really does not work, the new laserengines.com site is far superior. If it is the .com site you dislike what exactly do you think needs changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.A. Barry Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Jon my 2 bob's worth ...... I have not had the pleasure of owning Laser, but where as large models require deep pockets which I don't have,....to get your engines a greater niche of the engine sales, reducing the size and this would bring down he cost.... more motors mean more people involved....petrol powered 10cc and 15cc, should be a grand starting point, Trimming down the crankcase to reduce weight and achieve a better look, would also help As I said my 2 bob's worth Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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