MattyB Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Everything that could go wrong for the Scots seemed to in that half (especially losing Hogg to concussion), whilst England finally remembered how to get out of the traps early. This could be a cricket score by the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Michael, I am speechless. No crowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Hard to find words really but i'll try World class Forwards display, backed up by the rest firing on all cylinders, the stuff of dreams John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron evans Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Yep, that first 10 mins seemed to knock the stuffing out of Scotland and England played like a different team today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I hate to admit it but England just outclassed Scotland in just about every area. Well deserved winners of the 6 Nations. God, that was difficult to type out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I suspect EJ will still be disappointed in what he will see as some relatively soft tries conceded, but going forward England looked fantastic, particularly the starting 9-10-12 combination. Scotland were a major disappointment though - ill disciplined and poor in defence. Still, when you're staring down the barrel of a 20 point deficit in as many minutes they deserve credit for still scoring 3 tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Use whatever language you like at a football match but on a rugby thread, on this forum, exhibit a little self-discipline, please! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff S Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I half watched the England/Scotland match on the PC in my workshop as I was pottering about fitting wing servos in my Mew Gull and found it quite enjoyable to watch - certainly more so than football. A lot of the analysis went right over my head but the play patterns revealed by the replays were interesting. A couple of things from a non-expert who hasn't played since the age of 15 back in 1955! First, the place kicking is incredible. It seems the best kickers can score from anywhere up to the half way line and tries anywhere are convertible - they certainly weren't when I was a schoolboy even by the 6' giants my 5'6" self had to play against! Second, fixed scrums seem to do nothing but slow the game right down, especially when it takes 3 attempts to get one to work straight without collapsing. Obviously biassed put-ins by the scrum half are legitimate now. IIRC we had to put them in straight and to the hookers back in 1955. I think the flow of the game would be far better without them. Lastly, does the English coach EVER break into a smile? I mean he had a lot to smile about today. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Posted by Geoff Sleath on 11/03/2017 20:51:25: Second, fixed scrums seem to do nothing but slow the game right down, especially when it takes 3 attempts to get one to work straight without collapsing. Obviously biassed put-ins by the scrum half are legitimate now. IIRC we had to put them in straight and to the hookers back in 1955. I think the flow of the game would be far better without them. Absolutely agree, Geoff - same in the '60's for me. Not much point in having hookers now when the ball goes straight to the 2nd row..... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I am puzzled about the language, as Pete indicates, seems very reasonable to me. I do believe that it was an excellent result and a fair one for England. I am a little surprised that the Scottish (Brown) tackle was only a yellow, as England has been red carded for similar spearing tackles, without the tackle being late. I also have have had doubts about some officials not being biassed. The suggestion that that a England player should be yellow or red carded by i think an Irish linesman, was for me very controversial. A late tackle yes, certainly a penalty, no more, the tackle most defianatly was not high, well below the throat, you would have to be blind to see otherwise. Thank goodness the third referee, who was categoric, in that it was no worse than many other un-penalised instances, a penalty was the max. At least the referee did penalise one of the more outrageous attempts at intimidation by a Scottish player, so that was a well done for me. I thought England played very well, forcing Scotland to go for broke. They did get three tries, so not unrewarded, for their endeavours. A very good fast game, from an England perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Eddie will smile if/when we beat Ireland, jobs not done yet, also he's always keen for the players to take the credit. The man's a star, stop picking on him John P.S I thought officials had a good game again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 11/03/2017 20:23:57: Use whatever language you like at a football match but on a rugby thread, on this forum, exhibit a little self-discipline, please! Pete Not sure if that was aimed at me but if so, apologies for any offence caused but, frankly, I've heard much worse spoken by the players throughout the tournament and inadvertently broadcast. If you want comparisons with a football match try being in a rugby club post game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daithi O Buitigh Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Same here Geoff and Pete. As a hooker back in the 50s and early 60s we were allowed both feet off the ground and the ball had to come in straight. Back then the hooker was a lightweight so the props could hold him up (a giveaway is the Welsh word 'yn bachwr' - the small one). Once the rule changed to one foot on the ground, hookers simply became extra weight in the pack with no need for any skill in actually hooking the ball. Edited By Daithi O Buitigh on 11/03/2017 23:50:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Last weekend then, Scotland v Italy..crowd will lift em after the last game, so i reckon they'll score plenty. Wales v France...should be a good un. Ireland v England...what can you say ? looking forward to it, hope weather's o.k John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Mostly agree, but I reckon that Wales will do France proper. Bottom line, the jumbo pack is not a lot more effective than when Wales tried it in the Jenkins era. They are disheartened, tired, and I reckon need a bit more speed and staying power than they will have against Wales tomorrow. Mind, they may try to get fitter, but that is for next year. Sick with worry about Ireland already, but as Malcom Cooper said, if I'm worried, what do the opposition feel like. Mind the wheels lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron evans Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Hope you're right again about Wales Donald. Ireland will be a wounded animal after last week, but still England to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Day Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Yup, I reckon England have now found their mojo. Eddie Jones won't let them get too confident but they've a very good record recently and are now selecting from the first choice players. Ireland are still a very good side but your money would have to be on England, even if it is with fingers tightly crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Nigel Ron, don't get to confident with your predictions. A Guinness inside and they will fight anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Day Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I'm not too confident Donald and I wouldn't put a whole heap of money on it but England SHOULD win, probably by not a lot, but on form they ought to. There's a lot more resilience, determination and sheer bleeding-mindedness in this England team than most of those that have gone before. That said, I'll still be watching the match from behind the sofa.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 For once, I'll be supporting England. I think I'm correct in saying if Scotland beat Italy and England beat Ireland, Scotland move to 4th in the IRB rankings. Great for the next RWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Day Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 That would be amazing given their performances as little as 18 months ago. Like with England, it shows how quickly things can turn around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Posted by Nigel Day on 18/03/2017 09:50:23: That would be amazing given their performances as little as 18 months ago. Like with England, it shows how quickly things can turn around. Errm? Didn't Scotland get to the quarter finals of the last world cup and miss out on a semi place thanks to a stupid, blind ref? Anyway, back to the matter in hand. Come on Wales, get the finger out. A nice win by a narrow margin and no bonus point will see Scotland stay in second place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Michael quite right, you were the only home nation to hold their heads up at the end. Might I reign my prediction in, Wales might win, but you got t gang on to that ovally thing. Don't you love predictive text. Edited By Donald Fry on 18/03/2017 15:35:33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron evans Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 1 point down at the half, playing behind a beaten scrum.....finger out Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 10-12. No more points for either side, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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