Owen Hailey Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hi all.Can any One tell me why are we still paying road fund tax on cars and motor bike. Do we not pay enough duty on fuel, and shurely if they put the duty all on fuel this would stop all the road tax dodgers out there, I run Two cars, but it is totaly inpossibly for me to drive more than one at a time, so if it was on fuel I could choose as to what was the best vehical, for the type of journey that I was about to make, people with a large family could have a large car for the trips out, but in the week thoes who do short trips could have a small car or motor cycle this must be the way to get the c o down or is this just a smoke screen and just a way of ripping us of once more.over taxed Owen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Foreman Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I agree scrap fuel duty and road tax and bring in conjestion charging, then you only pay for every mile you drive. If you drive at busy times of the day or into town centres or down busy motorways then you get charged more than if you drive on quiet roads. That way we can load level the road transport system and run it at its optimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Hailey Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hi Tom.I have to drive to work but only do 24 miles a week, this is the only way to go, why are people like me paying for the wear and tear of the long distance motorist. who are the c o2 cowboys and do all the damage to the roads.no road tax any more Owen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Vive la France & fuel is cheaper there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Richards Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I have often considered why we have road tax, I would seem far more sensible to collect all vehicle tax via fuel. Congestion charging is attractive but very expensive to set up and run. The only reason I can see for having road tax is to police insurance and MOT systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I'm with Bruce on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
001 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Congestion charging, hmmmm, please don't encourage it. The government take the motor taxes, sales, road and fuel and plough very little back into new or improved roads, which is the main reason why we have so much congestion, which supports 'their' case for taxing the motorist (and trucks) for causing pollution. Just goes round and round. Also look on any Ordnance Survey map and you will see the words 'disused railway line' all over Britain . Mostly closed by a forward thinking government in the 1950's, forcing the citizens and their goods onto the roads. There are thousands of miles of them and hundreds of closed stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Like I said " La France ! "& have you ever travelled on their high speed train .If theyre late by more than a couple of minutes you get a refund ! And we're talking about a BIG country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Err...dont think you are quite on topic here Myron - its supposed to be about abolishing road tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Timbo me old mate ,Just trying to point out that our friends over the water/channel) have sorted all kinds of transpoirt/how they pay/what tax is involvedDirectly or otherwise& how fair & efficient it is for all no matter how you travel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 The thing about France is its twice the size of the UK but with the same population...more space for everyone. Also France has few big cities/towns compared with the UK......try & get about in the rural bits by train & you'll be stuck before you can say TGV!!!As to road tax, stick it on fuel. That way you can't dodge it & those who do the most mileage pay the most tax. Why should my wife pay the same road tax for her car when she does a tenth of the mileage that I do? And it's easy to collect as the system is already in place.MOT & Insurance can be a disc in the windscreen as the tax is now......Of course none of this is what I really think....road taxes should be lower but whilst the government uses road tax to prop up the economy that's never goning to happen....Ask yourself who makes the most money out of a small £10,000 hatchback over its life....the manufacturer? the garage who services it? the oil companies? Nope, it's (altogether) THE GOVERNMENT!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Sorry Rocket But you seem to have the stereotypical (& thats a big word for me in English) Attitude that all the French do is ride their bikes with a beret on & sell onions ,In actual fact they made the inner tubes for Concorde & most of the riders bicycicles in the "tour de France" && Maybe the ones on your new fangled foreign m/c also Me! My last bike was a BB32 Gold Star witha very close ratio G'box & an RN carb .Never got the clutch in' til 35 mph in 1st gear that is.Only went round Mallory once & was passed by a chap called Mike Hailwood going twice my speed SORRY Off thread AGAIN ( this damn nostalgia that I;d forgotten about is creeping back into whats left of my lifeThe Original Grumpy ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Good on you Myron........Vive la FranceErnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Il n'y rien qu'on peut dire ( in welch " Isn't it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Hailey Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi all.I think I have put a stick in a Hornets Nest, there is lots of good debate going on her but as the governments of the day do not use common sens as a guide to politics. I think we may as well spit into the wind.no to road tax Owen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Burke Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Gosh, what a frightening idea, Ron, the English running France! The French running France manage to have no road tax at all. Perhaps a better idea to have the French running England.Runs and ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Hailey Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi Ron.This country is full of very clever people with lots of Letters after there names, but how about a degree in common scenes would that be to much to ask, and let people vote on the things that mater vier the web and we mite get the country back on its feet. The hole system is in kayos and full of red tape that can not be policed.no more road tax Owen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bugbear Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 It's not quite correct to say that we pay no vehicle tax in france. There is no annual road tax but you do pay a 'one-off' tax when you first register your vehicle.A current typical registration fee for a 2 litre diesel car is about 200 euros.MOT's are every two years once the vehicle is four years old.There is no MOT on motorcycles.As regards the point about checking insurance and MOT status, it's pretty simple. We have both attached to the windscreen.This enables instant checks to be made.We also tend to have regular stop-checks by the gerndarmes to check paperwork.On the same subject insurance prices are comparable with the UK but most include breakdown cover as standard.Bike insurance is slightly more but the cover is better.Gary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I didn't have to pay a "one off tax " when I lived in France ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Burke Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Its a question of semantics, really, I guess, Myron. You do have to pay to register the vehicle initially to obtain French plates and documentation. This cost varies from region to region. Beyond that you pay no annual road tax. In the UK also you pay to register the vehicle, about £50, isn't it? Then you also pay annual road tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Bentley Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 If the French can manage without road tax, lower fuel tax etc, why can't the UK government adopt a similar scheme. I'll tell you why, money! the government wants to screw as much money out of its citizens as it possibly can in order to finance MPs pensions, holidays, personal expenses, Blair force one etc.,I'm a political refugee living in France. If the EU is a level playing field, why is it more expensive to live in the UK compared with rest of Europe?Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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