Hoochykins Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 3 hours ago, kc said: Have you thought of the kits by Phoenix Model Products? They look spot on to be honest. Have you build any? I'll have a Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 No, I haven't built those but Phoenix Model Products have an excellent reputation. I like the fact that you can see the plans and instructions online before you buy. Suggest you phone them and ask whether Snowy or Stage 2 is most suitable for you. I also like the idea of the Shindig and Pepperpot models - Traditional models but electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, kc said: No, I haven't built those but Phoenix Model Products have an excellent reputation. I like the fact that you can see the plans and instructions online before you buy. Suggest you phone them and ask whether Snowy or Stage 2 is most suitable for you. I also like the idea of the Shindig and Pepperpot models - Traditional models but electric. I think I'll probs go for the ruder/elevator version to get going with soaring. I'm loving building these, it's like Airfix but I can actually do something with them after. Don't know why I didn't look into this sooner. I have to say looking at some of the builds done by guys that have been doing it for years mine seem to have a lot more over spilled glue etc but over time I will improve 😁👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 I am now the owner of a Sky 40 thanks to @martin collins 1 - nice to meet you 👍 I have also purchased a few motors: SC 25a (brand new) OS 40 FP (which I plan to put in the Sky 40) Os Pet 099 (cheap and will likely need restoring but I wanted something to mess with) The best buy is a 4 stroke Saito FA-45S 😁 I really wanted a 4 stroke and this little gem was up for sale with the OS 40 FP so I had to get it. I'm fairly decided on building the Super 60 and putting in the PAW 19. No idea what to do with the 4 stroke yet... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Hooch, the OS 40FP has a cast iron piston in a cast iron bore, quite traditional technology though the cylinder is nikasil plated. While you will not wear this engine out very quickly, they apparently require quite a bit of running in but as you have bought this engine second hand, this has probably already been done. You may find the following interesting: https://sceptreflight.com/Model Engine Tests/OS Max 40FP.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Interesting read, thank you. I have faith that the engine was run in correctly if it was done by the guy I'm buying it off, if it's third hand then maybe not. To be honest it was about the price of a takeaway so if it's a dud I'm not that fussed. I could always strip it also and refurb any parts required though I suspect it's going to be okay. Any idea what size model I should be looking at for the 4 stroke? I know it's quite a small one and the 4 stroke sizes are comparable to the 2 strokes at 3/4 of their size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, Hoochykins said: Any idea what size model I should be looking at for the 4 stroke? I know it's quite a small one and the 4 stroke sizes are comparable to the 2 strokes at 3/4 of their size. I did some training on one of these with a 40 size 4 stroke, I found it an excellent model which we flew in all conditions from a flat calm to 20mph plus. https://nexusmodels.co.uk/products/seagull-jumper-25-32-trainer-1-39m-55in-sea15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PDB said: I did some training on one of these with a 40 size 4 stroke, I found it an excellent model which we flew in all conditions from a flat calm to 20mph plus. https://nexusmodels.co.uk/products/seagull-jumper-25-32-trainer-1-39m-55in-sea15 Not a bad shout, I will have a little research. I should be looking at modes about this size for the 45 4 stroke then? I wouldn't mind sticking it in something a bit more elegant, 2 strokes I'm ill stick it whatever but with this 4 stroke I want something a bit more...true to life, a scale replica of an actual aircraft? I might even have a go at glass sheeting it. It's going to be a model or two down the line and I still want something I can build. Edited March 20 by Hoochykins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis 2 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Traditionally the advice was that a four stroke should be 30%-50% larger than the recommended two stroke, so your Saito 49 should power adequately any model for which a 25-35 two stroke is recommended. Assuming that you do not want another trainer your Saito would certainly power a Barnstormer 63 maybe even the Barnstormer 72 from the DB Sport & Scale Plan Pack range or if you'd prefer a complete kit and something more sporty, the Galaxy Models Magician would be ideal. All of that said, I have seen a 40 four stroke power a Radio Queen, but then you'll already have a vintage model once you've built the Super 60! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 I like the suggestions, as you said I'll already have a vintage model with the PAW. I really like the WACO's like this https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_67_767&page=2&sort=2a&products_id=93016 Or something that looks like a Cessna: https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?fcm_pricerange_high=433&fcm_pricerange_low=24&cPath=37_67_767&page=3&sort=2a&products_id=34278 Or a BI model https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_67_767&page=3&sort=2a&products_id=77245 I want a model that looks great and I can really sink some time into making it perfect, it can be my target to fly once I know what I'm doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I feel that both the biplanes are a bit small for a 49 four-stroke. Furthermore both models are designed for electric motors, consequently you will have to beef up the construction in the nose to allow for the greater vibration of an i/c engine and starter motor torque The Aeronaut Sky Maxx is a more appropriate size for your engine and it appears that there are instructions for building the model using an i/c engineso if it floats your boat go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 I thought the same, these were to give an idea of the sort of thing I was looking at. The Sky Maxx looks better but I couldn't find much in the way of videos for it so didn't know if it was an unpopular model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 This biplane may be a bit more suitable for your engine if it's not too basic looking for you. It's not currently in stock but a call to the owner will let you know when it's going to be avaiable. https://www.dbsportandscale.com/tinker-kit-7871-p.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 I've been looking at models and have found this, anyone built one and know the difficulty? The Saito 45S should power this or is it slightly under powered? https://www.belairdigital.co.uk/detail.asp?id=1061 Open to suggestions of similar models, I want something scale similar to this, Cessna, Chipmunk etc I haven't ruled out the Barnstormer yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 As much as I like the above I think I have fallen in love with the KK Southerner Major: That is a stunning looking model. I'm hoping it's not an advanced model to build... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 28 minutes ago, Hoochykins said: As much as I like the above I think I have fallen in love with the KK Southerner Major: That is a stunning looking model. I'm hoping it's not an advanced model to build... Not wishing to rain on your parade but it is quite a complex model with its eliptical wings and crutch-built stringered fuselage, besides it's a three channel vintage model and you'll already have one of those once you've built your Super 60 so it won't help you to advance your flying skills. The Barnstormer may be built as a four channel model with ailerons. I would suggest that you build a high or mid-wing model four channel model before the Cherokee. These fly well and would suit your engine: https://www.slecuk.com/funfly-kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 24 minutes ago, David Davis said: Not wishing to rain on your parade but it is quite a complex model with its eliptical wings and crutch-built stringered fuselage, besides it's a three channel vintage model and you'll already have one of those once you've built your Super 60 so it won't help you to advance your flying skills. The Barnstormer may be built as a four channel model with ailerons. I would suggest that you build a high or mid-wing model four channel model before the Cherokee. These fly well and would suit your engine: https://www.slecuk.com/funfly-kit I was thinking it might be a bit more advanced to build than I'm ready for. It's a shame as it's lovely! I have looked at the Fun Fly but again I would like a scale model like a Piper/ Cessna or Chipmunk. I am not so worried about how difficult it is to fly as I won't be taking this up for some time or will have someone with a lot of experience give it a test flight. Any recommendations of scale models that won't be too difficult to build? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 How about this one? I've seen one fly and it flew beautifully. https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/cessna-120-62/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 Now that's more like it, I do have to say that's a bit on the pricey side at £212, there are some other nice looking models also, I want to go for the vintage look with the cream covering like the above two. These are what I am looking at and from what I can tell should fly on the 45 4 stroke, the only thing being how difficult they are to build: £77 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/rwd5-66-short-kit-set/ £107 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/fairchild-24w-argus-short-kit-set/ £106 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/dewoitine-d-510-53-short-kit-set/ £128 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/clipped-wing-piper-j-3-cub-56-short-kit-set/ £137 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/comper-cla-7-swift-54-short-kit-set/ £139 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/mini-cab-75-short-kit-set/ £149 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/luton-minor-62-5/ £175 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/stampe-sr-7-53-short-kit-set/ £207 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/lockheed-vega-57-5-short-kit-set/ £240 https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/clean-sweep-60-short-kit-set/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 If I were in your situation I would chose the RWD5 or the Luton Minor. Both of the designers are very well known. Nothing wrong with the Clipped Wing Cub except that they are so commonplace! 😏. Some of the models shown are designed for electric motors so you'd need to beef up the nose structure if you wanted to convert to i/c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 I liked the RWD5 and maybe the Luton Minor is meant to be with me living in Dunstable/Luton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 11/03/2024 at 21:59, Hoochykins said: I need something that's mostly pre cut with balsa. I think going from just plans at the moment is a bit beyond my expertise Those Sarik sets of parts are not the same as kits - they vary but may be just be plans with laser cut ribs and some other parts. I don't think they ever have the wire parts bent to shape and supplied as one would expect to get in a kit or supplies of fixtures and fittings. They don't necessarily have the wood selected for exact use ( i.e. lightweight balsa for tailplane etc ) - except for the lasercut parts you will be on your own in selecting wood. A proper kit will have all the parts needed except engine, radio and covering - you would expect to find wood selected for correct density& grain to suit each part, building instructions, tank, engine mount, undercarriage wire parts bent to shape, wheels, collets, horns, hinges, possibly decals included. For the inexperienced builder a good kit ( for example the SLEC Fun Fly which has all those items) will be better. Sets of cut parts are more for the person who has a stock of balsa and fittings to hand together with the knowledge of the type of balsa to select for each particular use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 4 hours ago, Hoochykins said: I want to go for the vintage look with the cream covering like the above two. Scale models need a scale colour scheme - it's not the 'done thing' to invent your own colour scheme for a scale model! You might find a popular plane like a Piper or Cessna with the colour you like but you should match it with the correct registration. Of course it's free country and you can build anything you want but you probably don't want to encounter critics at the flying site that who comment on your maroon and cream Spitfire ( pink is OK -there was one I think ) or even get the roundels the wrong way round! Sports models can be any colour scheme you like and they are a lot less work to build. Choose a plane that suits your flying ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 21/03/2024 at 19:34, kc said: Those Sarik sets of parts are not the same as kits - they vary but may be just be plans with laser cut ribs and some other parts. I don't think they ever have the wire parts bent to shape and supplied as one would expect to get in a kit or supplies of fixtures and fittings. They don't necessarily have the wood selected for exact use ( i.e. lightweight balsa for tailplane etc ) - except for the lasercut parts you will be on your own in selecting wood. A proper kit will have all the parts needed except engine, radio and covering - you would expect to find wood selected for correct density& grain to suit each part, building instructions, tank, engine mount, undercarriage wire parts bent to shape, wheels, collets, horns, hinges, possibly decals included. For the inexperienced builder a good kit ( for example the SLEC Fun Fly which has all those items) will be better. Sets of cut parts are more for the person who has a stock of balsa and fittings to hand together with the knowledge of the type of balsa to select for each particular use. While you are absolutely right in your post kc, the OP is looking for a scale/semi-scale kit of a light aircraft suitable for his Saito 49. I regret that there are none of which I am aware but there are kit cutters who will supply most of the difficult parts for just about any model you care to mention, (I hate cutting out wing ribs myself!) leaving the builder to chose his own wood as you suggest, and to bend his own undercarriage. The OP's initial plan was to build a SLEC Sky 40 for his OS 40 FP, but I believe that he has now bought one ready made. He also planned to build a glider or electric powered glider and then to tackle a Ben Buckle Super 60 which will be powered by a PAW diesel engine. By the time he's done all of that, and with the help he may receive from his clubmates, he should be able to build a model from a short-kit. Just my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochykins Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 4 hours ago, David Davis said: While you are absolutely right in your post kc, the OP is looking for a scale/semi-scale kit of a light aircraft suitable for his Saito 49. I regret that there are none of which I am aware but there are kit cutters who will supply most of the difficult parts for just about any model you care to mention, (I hate cutting out wing ribs myself!) leaving the builder to chose his own wood as you suggest, and to bend his own undercarriage. The OP's initial plan was to build a SLEC Sky 40 for his OS 40 FP, but I believe that he has now bought one ready made. He also planned to build a glider or electric powered glider and then to tackle a Ben Buckle Super 60 which will be powered by a PAW diesel engine. By the time he's done all of that, and with the help he may receive from his clubmates, he should be able to build a model from a short-kit. Just my opinion of course. Spot on. Once the SLEC Coyote is finished I'll see if I fancy doing the Super 60 or a model for the 4 stroke. To be honest if those kids have decent instructions with some images (or a online build blood) then I should be okay. Or I may just build one of the Phoenix slope soarers next as I want to give that a try with some experienced people at a club. That will give me plenty of time to find a nice looking model (like the above) 😁👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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